Treatment Abuse, Behavior Modification, Thought Reform > Aspen Education Group
I'm headed off to get my daughter from sage walk
TheWho:
--- Quote ---Oh fucking bullshit. Anyone who has been deprived of basic necessities for some time will simply be elated to have such "luxuries" of warm oat mush instead of raw oats.
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First you are assuming all kids like things warm, they don’t. Some kids prefer cold pizza over warm pizza for example.
--- Quote ---The elation/pride/whatever associated with learning to build a fucking fire is going to last a few weeks, at best, after the program. It does not resolve family difficulties, cure "depression", or reverse low self image.
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The challenge they are trying to overcome is that act of starting a fire from scratch and all its mysteries of forming a spark from a piece of flint against a rock. The power of doing something yourself for yourself. Hitting a home run, catching a fish, getting the highest mark on a test doesn’t cure depression either or a broken leg but it does a lot for a kids self esteem.
You should see these kids at the end of their stay. They all learned a lot about themselves and they all met the challenges set before them. One of the more memorable parts was when my daughter set up our camp (The parents slept in the woods the last day), started our fire and cooked the meal (Lentils and garlic!! Arrg). She was so proud of her accomplishments and we spent the night by our fire and talked about her stay.
Being a parent that went thru this I can attest that is was extremely effective. The turn around in certain areas was dramatic. This was SUWS that she attended.
--- Quote ---Take your kid camping and get some real family therapy.
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In your own words you only see this as a short term fix. I think anytime the family can get together and spend time it is well worth it. The kids like the attention away from home and the daily chores. I think this can have lasting effects also, especially if you can make it a routine event.
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Anonymous:
--- Quote from: ""TheWho"" ---The challenge they are trying to overcome is that act of starting a fire from scratch and all its mysteries of forming a spark from a piece of flint against a rock. The power of doing something yourself for yourself.
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And if you can't, you don't eat.
--- Quote --- Hitting a home run, catching a fish, getting the highest mark on a test doesn’t cure depression either or a broken leg but it does a lot for a kids self esteem.
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But when you play little league, your ability to eat or take a shower or sleep doesn't depend on whether or not you can hit a home run.
--- Quote ---You should see these kids at the end of their stay. They all learned a lot about themselves and they all met the challenges set before them.
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Yeah sure. They learn how to shut down. They learn to not trust people they were supposed to be able to trust. They learn to be skeptical of any kindness. They learn to be hypervigilant. They learn to deal with PTSD.
Troll Control:
--- Quote from: ""TheWho"" ---
--- Quote ---Oh fucking bullshit. Anyone who has been deprived of basic necessities for some time will simply be elated to have such "luxuries" of warm oat mush instead of raw oats.
--- End quote ---
First you are assuming all kids like things warm, they don’t. Some kids prefer cold pizza over warm pizza for example.
--- Quote ---The elation/pride/whatever associated with learning to build a fucking fire is going to last a few weeks, at best, after the program. It does not resolve family difficulties, cure "depression", or reverse low self image.
--- End quote ---
The challenge they are trying to overcome is that act of starting a fire from scratch and all its mysteries of forming a spark from a piece of flint against a rock. The power of doing something yourself for yourself. Hitting a home run, catching a fish, getting the highest mark on a test doesn’t cure depression either or a broken leg but it does a lot for a kids self esteem.
You should see these kids at the end of their stay. They all learned a lot about themselves and they all met the challenges set before them. One of the more memorable parts was when my daughter set up our camp (The parents slept in the woods the last day), started our fire and cooked the meal (Lentils and garlic!! Arrg). She was so proud of her accomplishments and we spent the night by our fire and talked about her stay.
Being a parent that went thru this I can attest that is was extremely effective. The turn around in certain areas was dramatic. This was SUWS that she attended.
--- Quote ---Take your kid camping and get some real family therapy.
--- End quote ---
In your own words you only see this as a short term fix. I think anytime the family can get together and spend time it is well worth it. The kids like the attention away from home and the daily chores. I think this can have lasting effects also, especially if you can make it a routine event.
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Hmmmm.... How does TheWho know about the hard work of doing things for oneself? He was a trust-fund baby and given everything he has ever had.
Also, where were these "positive results" when TheWho's daughter came home and was engaged in heavy drinking and drug use, according to TheWho, "witihin hours of getting home"? Sounds fishy. TheWho is holding out this utter failure as success?
He also didn't mention that his daughter fell on her face after "wilderness" and another forced stay at ASR for an additional 16 months. How two programs over two years can be spun as "success" when the kid gets fucked up on drugs and booze as soon as she steps off the bus is beyond me.
He also "forgot" to mention that his kid cut him off completely from her life and will not any longer see or talk to him. Sure sounds like "success," alright!
People need to keep TheWho in perspective.
TheWho:
--- Quote ---Also, where were these "positive results" when TheWho's daughter came home and was engaged in heavy drinking and drug use, according to TheWho, "witihin hours of getting home"? Sounds fishy. TheWho is holding out this utter failure as success?
He also didn't mention that his daughter fell on her face after "wilderness" and another forced stay at ASR for an additional 16 months. How two programs over two years can be spun as "success" when the kid gets fucked up on drugs and booze as soon as she steps off the bus is beyond me.
He also "forgot" to mention that his kid cut him off completely from her life and will not any longer see or talk to him. Sure sounds like "success," alright!
People need to keep TheWho in perspective.
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You forgot to mention she killed 2 police officers when she tried to escape ASR and is now in a maximum security mental hospital where she has managed to kill 4 doctors so far..
Troll Control:
--- Quote from: ""TheWho"" ---
--- Quote ---Also, where were these "positive results" when TheWho's daughter came home and was engaged in heavy drinking and drug use, according to TheWho, "witihin hours of getting home"? Sounds fishy. TheWho is holding out this utter failure as success?
He also didn't mention that his daughter fell on her face after "wilderness" and another forced stay at ASR for an additional 16 months. How two programs over two years can be spun as "success" when the kid gets fucked up on drugs and booze as soon as she steps off the bus is beyond me.
He also "forgot" to mention that his kid cut him off completely from her life and will not any longer see or talk to him. Sure sounds like "success," alright!
People need to keep TheWho in perspective.
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You forgot to mention she killed 2 police officers when she tried to escape ASR and is now in a maximum security mental hospital where she has managed to kill 4 doctors so far..
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This is what TheWho does when cornered by the facts - he dreams up some hyperbole and tries to pin it on a "Fornits regular." You see that he didn't contend that the first quote was untrue, he just tried to hide it.
Facts are facts. By TheWho's own admission, his kid was in two programs for two years, came home, got high, got drunk, got laid, cut off TheWho and moved away. Not much to argue with there I guess.
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