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TO EMILY GRAEBER (Island View escapee):
« Reply #45 on: November 16, 2007, 10:56:38 AM »
For the record:

DEBORAH DID NOT EVER "LOSE CONTROL OF" OR "SEND" HER CHILD "TO A PROGRAM."  THIS NEVER HAPPENED.

Of course, TheWhore is lying again to try to make an ad hominem attack stick to someone better informed and educated than he, but, hey, what's new there???

Deb's child's FATHER (from whom she was divorced) sent the child to HLA over Deb's strenuous objections and attempts to stop the placement through any and all legal channels.

Of course, TheWhore doen't mention that.  Just like he doesn't mention that his kid was drunk and high on hard drugs within hours of getting home from ASR and that she has cut him off from her life.  He doesn't tell anyone that because his story DOESN'T SELL PROGRAMS.
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TO EMILY GRAEBER (Island View escapee):
« Reply #46 on: November 16, 2007, 11:00:53 AM »
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Please ignore the above poster TheWho -

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Some have earnestly attempted to have rational debate with the man. He's incapable. If things aren't going his way, he changes the criteria, or compares apples to oranges, or goes mental and starts talking about some inane shit like the price of pork in China or how cars are made in Japan.
Don't you get it? http://wwf.fornits.com/viewtopic.php?p=283976#283976[/url]

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When is this supposed to take place?

Well the  announcement takes place after the lawyers sign off on the deal, but they usually wait until the transfer is ready to take place.
The legal transfer typically takes place at the beginning of the new quarter (or fiscal year).
So based on this I would expect the announcement would come at anytime and the transfer could occur on Tuesday October 1, 2007 or early January 2008.

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How is it that you are in a position to have knowledge about the acquisition of HLA?


I apologize for being vague, I have a fiduciary duty which prevents me from speaking in any specific terms in this area and can only comment on information which is first made public by either party involved,  this could be misconstrued as “Tippingâ€
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TO EMILY GRAEBER (Island View escapee):
« Reply #47 on: November 16, 2007, 11:06:50 AM »
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One of them couldn't travel to California for their daughter? The daughter they were so distressed and worried about. They hired it done? I can't relate. Mind blowing. What are the odds they'll abdicate responsibility again and she'll be back at IV or another facility within a week?


I can't relate either.  It stinks that not a single member of her own family went to get her.
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TO EMILY GRAEBER (Island View escapee):
« Reply #48 on: November 16, 2007, 11:19:27 AM »
Me neither.  It sounds more like "This isn't convenient for me, so could someone else handle it?"  Same as not wanting to parent and using a program as a proxy.  Bet she was escorted TO the program, too.
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TO EMILY GRAEBER (Island View escapee):
« Reply #49 on: November 16, 2007, 11:36:21 AM »
Bet they'll have time to try to sue the airline for screwing up and letting her fly all the way through to Frisco.  They might clear the calendar for that.
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TO EMILY GRAEBER (Island View escapee):
« Reply #50 on: November 16, 2007, 11:49:13 AM »
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Me neither.  It sounds more like "This isn't convenient for me, so could someone else handle it?"  Same as not wanting to parent and using a program as a proxy.  Bet she was escorted TO the program, too.



Funny how everyone is so sour here because Emily is found to be safe.  You people seem to operate so much better when things don’t turn out well for the kids.  If Emily had been hurt you could have blamed the school or the evil program parents who sent her there, but now you will have to satisfy yourselves with criticizing the family as to why people wont leave the bedside of a dying family member, so sad.

We should make this a sticky… you will note that not one person logged in to help during this entire thread.  But bet your booties if Emily had been hurt this thread would have gone 100 pages blaming the School and the industry.

To Emily's Family:  I apologize for the insensitivities you are reading here on Emily being found safe.  Many on this forum thrive on kids who get hurt which helps to fuel their anger towards the industry.  Kids who benefit from the schools serve no purpose for them.


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TO EMILY GRAEBER (Island View escapee):
« Reply #51 on: November 16, 2007, 11:51:24 AM »
Please ignore the above poster, TheWho -

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Some have earnestly attempted to have rational debate with the man. He's incapable. If things aren't going his way, he changes the criteria, or compares apples to oranges, or goes mental and starts talking about some inane shit like the price of pork in China or how cars are made in Japan.
Don't you get it? He's not here to add to the discussion or even to have open debate. He misrepresents, blatantly lies, derails, attacks and wears people down with continuous posting of bullshit or misquoting people who then feel they have to correct him. He's sitting behind his computer laughing at all of you who play his little game. He knows you'll eventually burn out.
Anyone else notice how he has systematically attacked every regular here since he's been back?
Ignore him. If he posts some off the wall bullshit, respond with a link to information to refute him, but stop the never-ending jousting with him. You think you're going to run him off... no way. He enjoys running his program here and delights in pissing people off.
Don't volunteer for his program.
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TO EMILY GRAEBER (Island View escapee):
« Reply #52 on: November 16, 2007, 12:14:57 PM »
Everyone is glad that she's safe.  We just want to make sure she stays that way.  I think the best we can hope for is that the parents have woken up and won't be sending her back.
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TO EMILY GRAEBER (Island View escapee):
« Reply #53 on: November 16, 2007, 12:36:28 PM »
*scrolls past the noise*

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One of them couldn't travel to California for their daughter? The daughter they were so distressed and worried about. They hired it done? I can't relate. Mind blowing. What are the odds they'll abdicate responsibility again and she'll be back at IV or another facility within a week?


I'll actually say low odds, for a week. Actually low odds for ever, because of the people who have contacted them and told them not to.

But that's the only reason they're not going to do it- threat of public exposure and fear of being outed. The guy's a family law attorney. How would it affect his practice if everyone knew he threw his daughter away to some Aspen shithole twice? Better just to put up with the girl than to put up with Fornits members and youth-rights advocates.

It's not direct intimidation (no one I know of has threatened to put a blade under his chin), but it's still the only thing program parents understand.
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TO EMILY GRAEBER (Island View escapee):
« Reply #54 on: November 16, 2007, 01:00:32 PM »
The reason she ran is because she may still be struggling and could be at a turning point.  I don’t think the parents are going to just stop helping her or give up on her because of what other people on a posting web site think.  If fornits was against heart surgery I don’t think they would let her die if she needed a heart transplant because of what is said here.

The family just needs our prayers and support to make the best decision for Emily.  Whether that is keeping her home for a time or resume getting her help again, only the family and Emily will know what is best and when.



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TO EMILY GRAEBER (Island View escapee):
« Reply #55 on: November 16, 2007, 01:05:59 PM »
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The reason she ran is because she may still be struggling and could be at a turning point.

Really now?  You know the reason she ran?  How could you possibly know that information?

 
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I don’t think the parents are going to just stop helping her or give up on her because of what other people on a posting web site think.  If fornits was against heart surgery I don’t think they would let her die if she needed a heart transplant because of what is said here.

They didn't help her at all by sending her off.  Fornits is not anti-help.  Its anti-abuse, anti-quackery and anti-fraud, among other things.

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The family just needs our prayers and support to make the best decision for Emily.  Whether that is keeping her home for a time or resume getting her help again, only the family and Emily will know what is best and when.


Then quit telling us or them what they need.
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TO EMILY GRAEBER (Island View escapee):
« Reply #56 on: November 16, 2007, 01:17:42 PM »
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Really now? You know the reason she ran? How could you possibly know that information?
I don’t think any of us know why she ran, myself included.  I never suggested I knew why.  I said "...she may still be struggling and could be at a turning point. "
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They didn't help her at all by sending her off
How could you possibly know that?  Ha,Ha,Ha amazing how much you know!!
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Then quit telling us or them what they need

I will when everyone else does..deal?



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TO EMILY GRAEBER (Island View escapee):
« Reply #57 on: November 16, 2007, 01:26:03 PM »
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I don’t think any of us know why she ran, myself included. I never suggested I knew why.


THE REASON SHE RAN IS BECAUSE...................................

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The reason she ran is because she may still be struggling and could be at a turning point.  I don’t think the parents are going to just stop helping her or give up on her because of what other people on a posting web site think.  If fornits was against heart surgery I don’t think they would let her die if she needed a heart transplant because of what is said here.

The family just needs our prayers and support to make the best decision for Emily.  Whether that is keeping her home for a time or resume getting her help again, only the family and Emily will know what is best and when.



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TO EMILY GRAEBER (Island View escapee):
« Reply #58 on: November 16, 2007, 01:28:35 PM »
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They didn't help her at all by sending her off
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How could you possibly know that?  Ha,Ha,Ha amazing how much you know!!


 :roll:  :roll:  :roll:  :roll:  :roll:  :roll:  :roll:  :roll:


Have you been sleeping or are you seriously just that stupid??
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TO EMILY GRAEBER (Island View escapee):
« Reply #59 on: November 16, 2007, 01:38:52 PM »
....."she may still be struggling and could be at a turning point."

I think we can agree that most kids that run away are struggling with life at home or where ever, whomever they are running away from.

To share a personal story:

 My daughter ran away from ASR (after a few months of being there) and then with the help of a counselor decided to go back and she called me and we talked for a long while about what had occured and why.  It turned out the reason she ran was that she was on the verge of dealing with some issues, which were surfacing, that she didnt want to uncover or deal with.  After we talked she felt better and to this day is glad she stuck it out and completed her time thru graduation.  They turned out to be important issues that ,if left buried, would have done her harm over the long haul if they were not dealt with properly with the help of a trained therapist.



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