Suisse-sChefs acting like children

[TheWho]

That's interesting, man. You recently said you didn't know anything about StrugglingTeens, now you sound like a vet and can remember who's been banned. I got banned...never was allowed back.

I remember because you cried like a school girl when you got caught lying to parents and misrepresenting yourself and they exposed you for it and banned you from posting there.  Don’t play the victim.  Struggling teens was set up for people to have an honest and open conversation about the industry… most parents, myself included, don’t appreciate your immature remarks like “How's that case of crotch rot your sister dosed you with?â€

[SettleForNothingLess]

God Dang... i just finished reading all of TheWhos bullshit and I just cant understand what the hell his problem is. Maybe subconsciously it is a jealousy war. Meaning TheWho jealous of Zen, because Zen has all of his eggs in the basket, and WHO does clearly not. Seems like TheWho-tchie has got some issues with people disagreeing with HIM. Claiming that Zen "trolls" him, and shit, thats just stupidity. We all know that Zen is no troll. TheWho however, can take his issues of narcissim and shove it. Thinking he is the "god" of Fornits with his accomplice CCM. It is just ridiculous sometimes how people get on this site. Sometimes, it makes me wanna just walk away from Fornits all together, but I could never do that. That would be letting evil win and I am not one to give in to that. I have had enough time in my life of being forced to give in to the evil toxins of this world and now I know I will never allow that to happen again. I will NEVER be a VICTIM to anyone ever again, and by walking away from this site, in a way would be in a way being victimized.
But back to the point (sorry im only on the 1st cup of coffee) TheWho, why dont you just leave Zen alone? Zen does not support the posting of porn and shit, he has a wife and a daughter, in which he protects and cares for so much. Dont make him out to be someone or something he is not. Zen in my opinion, is an inspiration and life saver. He has helped me out thru struggles and was the one who was the first person to ever want to hear my story of what my experiences were. We have been friends for over a year now, and I have ultimate respect for him and his family. If it wasnt for them, I would have never known that anyone was out there in the world to listen to what happened to me and so many others in those wretched hellholes. I never knew that any of this was out there until he informed me. If it wasnt for that, I would not have been involved in the activism I am involved in, would never have met my attorney, would never have even imagined the possiblility of forming a lawsuit and being able also to take the pains of the abuse I experienced, and use that for the greater good to keep me motivated to fighting this cause tooth and nail, until justice prevails or until the day I descend from this world. Whichever comes first.

[ZenAgent]

Again you assume, but I expected that (the post was not mine).... but I will accept the gesture to have a nice day and the same to you.  I do plan to get a little bent, but not until later this month.  Your insults are getting softer which is a good sign.  Hang in.



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Aw, shucks.  You know I love you, man.

[TheWho]

God Dang... i just finished reading all of TheWhos bullshit and I just cant understand what the hell his problem is. Maybe subconsciously it is a jealousy war. Meaning TheWho jealous of Zen, because Zen has all of his eggs in the basket, and WHO does clearly not. Seems like TheWho-tchie has got some issues with people disagreeing with HIM. Claiming that Zen "trolls" him, and shit, thats just stupidity. We all know that Zen is no troll. TheWho however, can take his issues of narcissim and shove it. Thinking he is the "god" of Fornits with his accomplice CCM. It is just ridiculous sometimes how people get on this site. Sometimes, it makes me wanna just walk away from Fornits all together, but I could never do that. That would be letting evil win and I am not one to give in to that. I have had enough time in my life of being forced to give in to the evil toxins of this world and now I know I will never allow that to happen again. I will NEVER be a VICTIM to anyone ever again, and by walking away from this site, in a way would be in a way being victimized.
But back to the point (sorry im only on the 1st cup of coffee) TheWho, why dont you just leave Zen alone? Zen does not support the posting of porn and shit, he has a wife and a daughter, in which he protects and cares for so much. Dont make him out to be someone or something he is not. Zen in my opinion, is an inspiration and life saver. He has helped me out thru struggles and was the one who was the first person to ever want to hear my story of what my experiences were. We have been friends for over a year now, and I have ultimate respect for him and his family. If it wasnt for them, I would have never known that anyone was out there in the world to listen to what happened to me and so many others in those wretched hellholes. I never knew that any of this was out there until he informed me. If it wasnt for that, I would not have been involved in the activism I am involved in, would never have met my attorney, would never have even imagined the possiblility of forming a lawsuit and being able also to take the pains of the abuse I experienced, and use that for the greater good to keep me motivated to fighting this cause tooth and nail, until justice prevails or until the day I descend from this world. Whichever comes first.

Dont ever allow anyone to chase you way.  I feel the same way, I will not be chased away either, many have tried.  You should have read from the beginning before commenting about my attacks on Zen, Zen was the one who jump on my back and started in with his disgusting retort.  
I am sure he is a good person, off the forum or in PM's, but you should talk to him about his language and how he treats other people in the public forums.  I am glad to hear he is helping other people like yourself (he doesnt come across that way or show that side of him here on fornits).  I am a parent with a family also and I dont think they would appreciate his insults and foul language, threatening to expose people who disagree with him... very immature in my opinion.



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[Froderik]

threatening to expose people who disagree with him... very immature in my opinion.

I don't know whether or not Zen threatened to post your name here. I do agree that posting people's personal info on here crosses a line; however, I have no problem with the name of the organization (program?) you work for (if any) being posted here.

[SettleForNothingLess]

God Dang... i just finished reading all of TheWhos bullshit and I just cant understand what the hell his problem is. Maybe subconsciously it is a jealousy war. Meaning TheWho jealous of Zen, because Zen has all of his eggs in the basket, and WHO does clearly not. Seems like TheWho-tchie has got some issues with people disagreeing with HIM. Claiming that Zen "trolls" him, and shit, thats just stupidity. We all know that Zen is no troll. TheWho however, can take his issues of narcissim and shove it. Thinking he is the "god" of Fornits with his accomplice CCM. It is just ridiculous sometimes how people get on this site. Sometimes, it makes me wanna just walk away from Fornits all together, but I could never do that. That would be letting evil win and I am not one to give in to that. I have had enough time in my life of being forced to give in to the evil toxins of this world and now I know I will never allow that to happen again. I will NEVER be a VICTIM to anyone ever again, and by walking away from this site, in a way would be in a way being victimized.
But back to the point (sorry im only on the 1st cup of coffee) TheWho, why dont you just leave Zen alone? Zen does not support the posting of porn and shit, he has a wife and a daughter, in which he protects and cares for so much. Dont make him out to be someone or something he is not. Zen in my opinion, is an inspiration and life saver. He has helped me out thru struggles and was the one who was the first person to ever want to hear my story of what my experiences were. We have been friends for over a year now, and I have ultimate respect for him and his family. If it wasnt for them, I would have never known that anyone was out there in the world to listen to what happened to me and so many others in those wretched hellholes. I never knew that any of this was out there until he informed me. If it wasnt for that, I would not have been involved in the activism I am involved in, would never have met my attorney, would never have even imagined the possiblility of forming a lawsuit and being able also to take the pains of the abuse I experienced, and use that for the greater good to keep me motivated to fighting this cause tooth and nail, until justice prevails or until the day I descend from this world. Whichever comes first.

Dont ever allow anyone to chase you way.  I feel the same way, I will not be chased away either, many have tried.  You should have read from the beginning before commenting about my attacks on Zen, Zen was the one who jump on my back and started in with his disgusting retort.  
I am sure he is a good person, off the forum or in PM's, but you should talk to him about his language and how he treats other people in the public forums.  I am glad to hear he is helping other people like yourself (he doesnt come across that way or show that side of him here on fornits).  I am a parent with a family also and I dont think they would appreciate his insults and foul language, threatening to expose people who disagree with him... very immature in my opinion.






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 I have read from the beginning. I dont normally post back about it, but I have read. How he treats people? he seems to treat people very well, he is there for people, he is there to stand up for what he believes in. And that is what it is all about. Its a free speech world, and none of us are perfect. I never have seem him threaten anyone who has not deserved it. Attacking trolls and assholes on this site, whats wrong with that?

[SettleForNothingLess]

threatening to expose people who disagree with him... very immature in my opinion.

I don't know whether or not Zen threatened to post your name here. I do agree that posting people's personal info on here crosses a line; however, I have no problem with the name of the organization (program?) you work for (if any) being posted here.

people saying things out of anger is alot different than actually doing it.

[Froderik]

people saying things out of anger is alot different than actually doing it.

Of course...

[Anonymous]

people saying things out of anger is alot different than actually doing it.

Of course...

Yes, words and actions are not the same.  They can represent crimes though, if the words rise to the level of libel or terroristic threats.

[Anonymous]

but I'm going to give your company's name to this individual and they can go from there.

Threats and passive aggression, tisk tisk.

[ZenAgent]

but I'm going to give your company's name to this individual and they can go from there.

Threats and passive aggression, tisk tisk.

No threat.  Done deal, my man.  I'm not going to ever post anything public about your private.  Sorry if you think I'm rough on you, but PV did damage to my family that never can be fixed.  On the low end of it, I don't think we'll ever view the health profession with anything other than skepticism.

Why do you criticize me for going after PV?  It's the facility I know best and did the damage.  You criticize people for making wide-sweeping generalizations about the industry and you criticize me for focusing on a place I know is beyond abusive.  You're not consistent, you retract, you lie, you distort, all in the name of presenting the "other side".  You use abusive program BM techniques on the forum, so forgive me for thinking you're less than human.  I have no respect for you, you don't know anything about individual programs, you've shown that, and you're openly dismissive of people's stories of abuse. Your business involvement with the industry, whether direct or indirect, obviously puts you in a position of not being objective.  No you don't go with the group think - you have no point of reference since you weren't involved with an abusive facility, but you certainly manage to enrage the group thought and you bring nothing informative.  Yeah, I know you'll deny that, but you never have anything to back up your "facts".   I'm really, really abrasive with you, I admit it and I don't feel the slightest twinge of doubt when I'm doing it.  I see no need to expend any diplomacy on such an obvious agitator and liar with an extremely questionable agenda.

[3xsaSeedling]

thanks, Zen.

[Anonymous]

but PV did damage to my family that never can be fixed.

So you take your misdirected anger out on TheWho? Makes perfect sense. *rollseyes*

[ZenAgent]

but PV did damage to my family that never can be fixed.

So you take your misdirected anger out on TheWho? Makes perfect sense. *rollseyes*

For TheWho being an asshole?  Yes.  Who are you and why are you afraid to identify yourself?  Who are you to decide my anger is misdirected?  I don't think you'd need more than one hand to count up TheWho's supporters.  The forum's been rife in the past with a lot of "misdirected anger" focused on TheWho.

[TheWho]

Zen, I don’t think you are rough on me, once again that wasn’t even my post.  You believe what you do because you think every anon post is mine and they are not.  Half of your responses to me are directed towards posts that were not written by me; of course you would feel I am inconsistent.  What is up with you?  Threaten other parents because they disagree with you, using tasteless language about peoples family members you have never met…  of course you have no respect for me or anyone else, you have no respect for yourself.   Give me a break, you are thin skinned and angry.

Zen, try and listen to other people when they disagree with you.  You don’t have to take it personally.  They may have a good reason for thinking the way they do.

I am sure your family is suffering from what you have posted, but that doesn’t give you the right to attack other people for their believes.  You need to do what it takes to heal and that is why many people here have overlook your aggression, poor manners, judgment and given you space.  Try to sit back a little and listen to what other parents have experienced and how they are dealing with it (good and bad experiences).

Sorry if I have been too rough on you today, but you need to chill and I have grown tired of you constant attacks on people.




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