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« Reply #32 on: November 05, 2007, 10:00:29 AM »




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« Reply #33 on: November 05, 2007, 10:16:28 AM »
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suicidal-style living

Wow, dont let regulars hear you talking like that.  This sounds like a life style that may need intervention or treatment of some sort.  If a parent said that they would be ripped apart.  
What you need to say is they are free to die anyway they like as long as it is their choice.  Kids should not be forced to live if they choose not to.  Parents should not interfer.



If someone has diabetes or cancer is it OK to force them to take insulin or go through chemo if they don't want it?
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« Reply #34 on: November 05, 2007, 10:19:16 AM »
These numbers have not been updated in about 6 months but they do reflect that the suicide rates for kids attending TBS's is extremely low compared to the public sector.

NCES still has not released their data for 2004-2005 year..... as soon as it becomes available I will add the figures in.


You can click on the program type to get more detail if needed.[/b]
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July 1, 2000 thru June 2001   -------There were 1,466 Homicides and 1,493 suicides   , 2,959 Total  

TBS ---------------------There were 0 Homicides, 1 suicides, ----- 1 Total

Wilderness -----------There were 0 Homicides, 0 suicides, ----- 0 Total
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Total Industry -------There were 0 Homicides , 1 suicides, ----- 1 Total

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July 1, 2001 thru June 2002   -------There were 1,468 Homicides and 1,400 suicides   , 2,868 Total  

TBS ---------------------There were 0 Homicides, 0 suicides, ----- 0 Total

Wilderness -----------There were 0 Homicides, 0 suicides, ----- 0 Total
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Total Industry -------There were 0 Homicides , 0 suicides, ----- 0 Total

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July 1, 2002 thru June 2003   -------There were 1,515 Homicides and 1,331 suicides   , 2,846 Total  

TBS ---------------------There were 0 Homicides, 0 suicides, ----- 0 Total

Wilderness -----------There were 0 Homicides, 0 suicides, ----- 0 Total
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Total Industry -------There were 0 Homicides , 0 suicides, ----- 0 Total
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July 1, 2003 thru June 2004   -------There were 1,437 Homicides and 1,285 suicides   , 2,722 Total  

TBS ---------------------There were 0 Homicides, 0 suicides, ----- 0 Total

Wilderness -----------There were 0 Homicides, 0 suicides, ----- 0 Total
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Total Industry -------There were 0 Homicides , 0 suicides, ----- 0 Total

TBS - Therapeutic Boarding Schools
 NCES National Center for Education Statistics
CDC -- Centers for Disease Control and Prevention
* - Data found here on fornits, internet news articles (caica.org, isaccorp.org), posts and PM?s....  All deaths are verified thru local news articles.
X -- Incomplete or unavailable
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« Reply #35 on: November 05, 2007, 10:20:56 AM »
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« Reply #36 on: November 05, 2007, 10:24:30 AM »
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suicidal-style living

Wow, dont let regulars hear you talking like that.  This sounds like a life style that may need intervention or treatment of some sort.  If a parent said that they would be ripped apart.  
What you need to say is they are free to die anyway they like as long as it is their choice.  Kids should not be forced to live if they choose not to.  Parents should not interfer.



If someone has diabetes or cancer is it OK to force them to take insulin or go through chemo if they don't want it?
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« Reply #37 on: November 05, 2007, 10:50:00 AM »
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suicidal-style living

Wow, dont let regulars hear you talking like that.  This sounds like a life style that may need intervention or treatment of some sort.  If a parent said that they would be ripped apart.  
What you need to say is they are free to die anyway they like as long as it is their choice.  Kids should not be forced to live if they choose not to.  Parents should not interfer.


If someone has diabetes or cancer is it OK to force them to take insulin or go through chemo if they don't want it?



Yes, if they are under the age of 21/18 then you can force them to take it.  Against popular beliefs here on fornits,  It is a parents responsibility.  Treatment needs to be forced if need be, when a child becomes an adult then they can fend for themselves, but until that time the parents need to ensure the child’s wellbeing and if they don’t then the parent can go to jail if the child suffers or dies.



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« Reply #38 on: November 05, 2007, 10:57:02 AM »



Please ignore TheWho -

DO NOT FEED THE TROLLS.
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« Reply #39 on: November 05, 2007, 11:09:42 AM »
Mamuh, I'm gown' fuk yew, den I'm gown' kee' you..
Ail kut yew witdishere knife, yewl die.
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« Reply #40 on: November 05, 2007, 11:11:04 AM »
(PROTIP: TheWho's repeated statistics are bullshit. There were at least 34 restraint-kills during that time.)

(PROTIP #2: This isn't treatment. But if you got to page 5 of this thread you probably figured that out by now.)

(We now return you to your regularly scheduled trolling.)
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« Reply #41 on: November 05, 2007, 11:11:49 AM »
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HELP DOES NOT INCLUDE COERCION, HUMILIATION, TORTURE AND ABUSE!!!!![/color]


Nowhere, We hear you loud and clear and I dont think you will get an argument from anyone here on that statement, even if the torture, humiliation and abuse is self inflicted, it is the parents responsibility to see the child gets help or they could go to jail.  You cant just sit back and watch a child suffer and go down hill without getting them help, whether they want it or not.



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« Reply #42 on: November 05, 2007, 11:20:17 AM »
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Mamuh, I'm gown' fuk yew, den I'm gown' kee' you..
Ail kut yew witdishere knife, yewl die.

Hahahhahahaha!!!!!
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« Reply #43 on: November 05, 2007, 12:14:14 PM »
The reason I choose Homicides and Suicides was because this is what the National Center for Education Statistics (NCES) along with the Center for Disease Control (CDC) had decide to focus on in the public sector and we wanted something that we could compare to directly so that is the reasoning for choosing these specific areas.

The industry as a whole contains many areas from military style boot camps to mental hospitals and we wanted to focus on some specific areas inwhich parents would be interested in, so we narrowed our focus to Therapeutic boarding schools (TBS) and Wilderness programs.  If we had taken the route of including all aspects of the mental health field we may find ourselves in a situation of double reporting because some of the institutions are reported in the private sector and the majority of parents we have spoken to, who are looking for information and/or help for their child, are not considering military boot camps or mental hospitals.

So granted our data doesn’t include all areas of the industry it is valuable to those parents who are considering a TBS or Wilderness program for their child.
Hope this helps to clarify our intent.

p.s. If anyone has additional data which meets the criteria or parameters please email me or post it here and I will update the matrix.



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« Reply #44 on: November 05, 2007, 12:15:58 PM »
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HELP DOES NOT INCLUDE COERCION, HUMILIATION, TORTURE AND ABUSE!!!!![/color]

Nowhere, We hear you loud and clear and I dont think you will get an argument from anyone here on that statement, even if the torture, humiliation and abuse is self inflicted, it is the parents responsibility to see the child gets help or they could go to jail.  You cant just sit back and watch a child suffer and go down hill without getting them help, whether they want it or not.



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Do you know anything about Wraparound treatment, Who?  Community based treatment?  There are other treatment options for extremely troubled kids that don't subject them to the trauma of being yanked from their homes and forced into the "tough love" tactics of strangers.  Who, even you should realize that if a kid is "out of control" and "acting out", there's probably a problem in the family dynamic..  Too many parents (like you) won't accept any blame for the problems and ship their kids off to be "fixed".  It's possible the child will thrive in the program, simply because he/she is out of the troubled home.  What happens when the kid returns and the parents are still fucked-up as ever?

I know some programs advertise they work with the entire family, Peninsula Village claims to "Restore Families and Mend Young Lives".  Bullshit,  fraudulent advertising there.  If the parents of a patient are divorced, the parent paying for the program dictates treatment.  My wife asked questions about the program and angered the clinical director, who couldn't answer the questions.  He thought questioning any aspect of the program interfered with the therapeutic process.  Shortly afterward, my wife photographed her daughter's "restraint" (five fat broads piled on a teenager), and she was denied contact with her daughter for six months, while dad upheld the ban and went to work "Mom bashing" during his sessions with his daughter, with the therapist's tacit approval.  

The reality of programs is nothing like our reality, huh?  Five women pile on a teenager and pin her face down, one on each limb, one sitting on her back, and the girl is screaming she can't breathe.  If that happened on the street, those obese hags would have been arrested.  Also, imagine what my wife was experiencing:  her daughter is screaming she can't breathe with all those people on her, counselors nearby are actually laughing.  The staff is lucky my wife only had a camera in her car - I don't think any jury would have convicted her for emptying a clip into the attackers.

Also, allowing dad to dictate the treatment and uphold the "mom ban" so he can slander and insult his daughter's mother is abhorrent, but perfectly legal in the program.  In the real world, that's called parental alienation and ol' dad would have been knocked down a few notches by The Man.

Parents - take a good look at yourselves before you turn your kids over to the tender mercies of strangers who view your kid as a "thing" to be processed and run through the mill for money.  You're really doing your kids a disservice by not taking a hard look at yourselves before calling that escort service.
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