Into The Wild

[TheWho]

Simple:   "Dont send your kids to places that do that".  One of the problems here is each person relates their worst experience and then assumes all the schools do this.  I know for a fact that you are wrong.

I can show you pictures of car accidents or cars that dont have a very good safety rating... so we have the choice not to buy them, simple concept.



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[Anonymous]

two words - deceptive adverstising.

End of story.

we aren't buy cars - we abusing kids.

It just shows where you're mind is at, who - kids aren't luxury objects for their parents pleasure.

[TheWho]

Like anything else…â€

[Rachael]

Like anything else…â€

[Che Gookin]

bingo.. kids without due process is weak sauce.

Everyone under 18 basically are the slaves of the new mellenium. Time to get the emancipation of proclamation going for the little uns.

[TheWho]

Like anything else…â€

[Anonymous]

If food can be regulated and where to build houses regulated and even cars (I think you brought this up in an an example) - how come entrusting your loved ones to a so-called "program" is not regulated as well?

I mean, someone in the governmentt says - cars need seatbelts to make them safer, so lets make that a law. Done.

Answer this, why aren't programs regulated to keep kids safe?

They are unregulated and unmonitored. Seems like a lot stuff is going on with no real transparancy and many kids and families are getting shafted.

[Botched Programming]

Simple:   "Dont send your kids to places that do that".  One of the problems here is each person relates their worst experience and then assumes all the schools do this.  I know for a fact that you are wrong.

I can show you pictures of car accidents or cars that dont have a very good safety rating... so we have the choice not to buy them, simple concept.



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Yeah.... We have a choice not to buy them, but just like car salesmen there are shady characters in the business that puts on a high pressured sales pitch and would say almost anything to get their name on the dotted line because that means another dollar in their pocket.

there's nothing worse than a used car salesman, or a program pitcher....They both ride in the same boat.

[Anonymous]

Plus, people who care for your kids have to be licensed, like teachers (your other example) etc etc.

No one who works in a facility needs to be licensed in order to work there - they took *kids* right out of HS or college who worked in one of the programs I was in. & they knew very little.

Your parallels are getting desperate and lacking and common sense or logic.

[TheWho]

Simple:   "Dont send your kids to places that do that".  One of the problems here is each person relates their worst experience and then assumes all the schools do this.  I know for a fact that you are wrong.

I can show you pictures of car accidents or cars that dont have a very good safety rating... so we have the choice not to buy them, simple concept.



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Yeah.... We have a choice not to buy them, but just like car salesmen there are shady characters in the business that puts on a high pressured sales pitch and would say almost anything to get their name on the dotted line because that means another dollar in their pocket.

there's nothing worse than a used car salesman, or a program pitcher....They both ride in the same boat.

There are people out there who will kill you for your watch, it can get much worse.  Salesman cant sell you a car if you don’t need one, but he can steer you towards a lemon…that’s what I mean by buyer beware.  If your child didn’t need help you wouldn’t be sitting in the chair across from them.



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[TheWho]

Plus, people who care for your kids have to be licensed, like teachers (your other example) etc etc.

No one who works in a facility needs to be licensed in order to work there - they took *kids* right out of HS or college who worked in one of the programs I was in. & they knew very little.

Your parallels are getting desperate and lacking and common sense or logic.

No they dont....  There is no law that says teachers need to get a license....... most professionals dont bother to get licensed unless they are going to work for the state or working independently.



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[Deborah]

Education is free.
From Mike Males "Youth Facts"
These and other stories @ http://youthfacts.org/index.html

Welcome to YouthFacts
YouthFacts seeks to debunk the barrage of modern mistruths about youth, restore a climate of fairness and integrity when discussing youth issues, advance verifiable and evidence-based information to better inform youth policy, enhance the integration of youth into democratic and multi-cultural citizenship, and build a culture that values and trusts its young people.

We have grown increasingly alarmed at the inability or refusal of aging America to respond rationally to clear, dramatic generational changes in crime, violence, drug abuse, mortality, AIDS, imprisonment, and social and political attitudes over the last 30 to 40 years. The future of our diverse society demands more factual, alternative information and discussion than today's stifling consensus.

Myths About Today's Youth
This section (under construction) details myths about teens today.

Oxycontin. Ignore the avalanche of media reports, drug-war officials, and interest group scares that Oxycontin and other prescription drug abuse is a teenage epidemic. A top Centers for Disease Control epidemiologist told Congress middle-aged white men are dying the most from abuse and misuse of drugs--especially pharmaceuticals. And drug overdoses are exploding.

2006 youth crime. Yes, it's feeding time again! The FBI's just-released 2006 crime figures are already being pounced on by police, reporters, and their always-wrong "experts" like James Alan Fox to grab bucks and ratings. Here's a guide to the anti-youth distortions you'll be seeing and the truth about the latest changes in youth crime--good and bad. Also, the girl-crime apocalypse continues to be a myth, as girls' crime, especially murder, falls sharply.

Blaming youth. Officials from acting US Surgeon General Kenneth Moritsugu and the drug czar to the Partnership for a Drug-Free America are rushing to blame young people for America's drug and alcohol crises. Addicted parents? Abusive families? Troubled adults? Officially, these problems don't exist. See also the open letter to the Partnership challenging this cowardly crusade.

The most crazed drug rant ever. Drug czar John Walters tirade against teenagers at a September 6 press conference sets a new low, even for his cruel, lunatic drug war policy that has brought danger and heartache to America's young people--and the older generations, whose rampant drug abuse he STILL (even after a record 31,000 deaths, 800,000 hospital cases, and 600,000 imprisonments) refuses to admit even exists. Unfortunately, the Marijuana Policy Project's Bruce Mirken shows the same unreasoned panic about teens and and denial of real drug crises that make today's drug-reform lobbies as irrelevant as Walters.

Frightening news about teens: Girls and boys are happy--happier than ever before--our best surveys show. What terrible news! Look for culture warriors, popular authors, psychiatric and pharmaceutical industries, agencies, and news-media panic mongers to step up efforts to convince teenagers that, despite their optimism, they're really miserable and depressed.

Enough Lindsay! Bad enough that the American news media relentlessly exploit celebrity gossip. But it's excruciating when reporters, commentators, and self-serving treatment "experts" cast troubled young stars as symbols of all "young people today." If the Associated Press's and other miserably crass reporters want a poster child for a generation packed with drug and alcohol addiction woes, try Lindsay's dad from hell.

Enough MySpace! Atlantic Magazine's latest megafeature is just the latest overwrought junk-media panic that your teen faces epochal dangers online. Leave those kids alone. Teens are in far more danger of murder and rape in church than unsupervised on the Net.

Quick quiz: what age group shows the biggest rise in violence, serious crime, and drug offenses? It's not youth or young adults... the massive crime epidemic the news media, the cops, interest groups, and "experts" endlessly scapegoating youth refuse to face.

Obama demagogues the "entire generation of young men"  Senator Barack Obama exploits fears of the least violent generation of young African Americans on record--while excusing his own more violent and crime-prone older generation.

The "teenage brain"  The handful of "experts" who claim "science" has "discovered teenagers act as they do" are stretching neurological studies far beyond their bounds, indulging primitive strereotypes about adolescents, and generally demonstrating their own lack of cognitive development.

"Teenage sex" As interest groups and politicians fall over themselves to grab credit for the dramatic decline in what we call "teenage births," read about the giant irony no one wants to discuss--one that exposes just how ludicrous today's "debate" over "teenage sex" has become.

Beating up on girls The distorted, poisonous attack on today's girls and young women as meaner and more violent, depressed, materialistic, shallow, etc., by authors, the news media, and interest groups across the spectrum reveals the cruelty of commentators apparently threatened by the spectacular advances in health, safety, and better attitudes among Millennial females.

Shootings  Are schools "full of angry kids" waiting to commit mass shootings? In fact, in a nation that leads all other Western nations in gun murders by far, our high school and college campuses are safer than Denmark....

Crime  But aren't youth committing more serious crimes today? NO. They're committing FEWER than previous generations. In 1965, the FBI estimated youths under age 18 accounted for 30% of all serious violent and property crime in the country. In 2005, that figure was 17%, the lowest level ever recorded....

Do teenage mothers save taxpayers money?  A university economics team's long-term analysis that all sides agree is the best ever done reaches an astonishing conclusion: having babies during teen years is an economically rational decision by poorer young women that leads to higher incomes and lower public costs over time. Why haven't you heard about this research? Because all sides depend on vilifying teen moms as costly fools.  

Mental Health Crisis The mental health crisis that isn't! Statistics don't support fears of a psychological emergency on our college campuses.

Teenage Drinking Yes, heavy drinking IS a problem...all across American society. We hear incessantly about the 5.5 million teenage and the 8.9 million young-adult binge drinkers ages 20-24. But why does no one mention that the same National Household Survey finds 11.5 million binge drinkers ages 30-39, 11.3 million ages 40-49, 6.2 million ages 50-59, and 4.5 million ages 60 and older?....

Drugs After spending hundreds of billions of dollars and imprisoning millions over the last 25 years, the United States now suffers the worst drug abuse crisis in history. A record 31,000 Americans died directly from abusing illegal drugs in 2004. But it's not teens--40-59 year-olds comprise BY FAR our worst drug abusing population, especially for heroin, cocaine, methamphetamine, and drugs mixed with alcohol. Teens are being scapegoated for the burgeoning middle-aged drug crisis...

Suicide  Teenagers are the least likely of any age group to take their own lives, and their rates of self-destruction (suicides and other deaths indicating suicidal intent, such as accidents by guns, poisoning, hanging, and undetermined intent) have plummeted in recent decades. A high schooler is three times more likely to suffer a parent's suicide than the other way around. Why, then, are teens stereotyped as suicidal risk takers?....

Teen Drivers  You've seen the mass hype about "teen killers on the road" as if Americans were in dire peril of being wiped out every time we venture off the curb. So: how many miles does the average teenage driver have to drive before suffering even odds of being in a fatal accident? The answer, and the truth about the unconscionable scare campaign vilifying teen drivers, add up to an "expert" disgrade.

November 14, 2007
Latest Media Mistruths about youth

If America's news media covered other groups with the same sensational, factless bigotry inflicted on youth, we'd call it hate speech.

CRIME
CNN's Anderson Cooper's keeping-it-dishonest escapism on Chicago youth killings
TEEN DRINKING
Younger Girls Binge Drinking? No, more girl-fearing junk from CBS et al
SHOOTINGS
Are schools and campuses full of more troubled, violent, suicidal youth? NO!

SEX OFFENDERS
Associated Press uses blatantly biased statistics to fabricate an increase in juvenile sexual violence.
 
 DRUG DENIAL
CBS News, a drug-war funded "university" junk researcher, cops, and "experts" show why the US has the world's worst drug abuse problem.
 
EXPLOITING TRAGEDY
A one-year increase in teen suicide brings out the hypers, exploiters and drug peddlers who failed to note (again) that far more teens need help with suicidal parents.
 
Why are books on teens today so atrocious?

[Botched Programming]

Plus, people who care for your kids have to be licensed, like teachers (your other example) etc etc.

No one who works in a facility needs to be licensed in order to work there - they took *kids* right out of HS or college who worked in one of the programs I was in. & they knew very little.

Your parallels are getting desperate and lacking and common sense or logic.

No they dont....  There is no law that says teachers need to get a license....... most professionals dont bother to get licensed unless they are going to work for the state or working independently.

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Who... Are you telling us that people should entrust their children to the care of (**Definition: carefulness, attention to detail**) to people who have not gone through the rigiorous measures and training that licensed professionals have??

So basically you are saying that you would entrust (**Definition: To give over (something) to another for care, protection, or performance**) an unlicensed person to look after your child. That would almost be like entrusting an unlicensed carpenter to build a home.

I must say Who.... Why do you feel the need to come on to this forum and sprew pro-program propaganda??? Are you paid to come on in attempts of doing damage control for an industry that damages kids??

I swear I don't know how you can sleep at night knowing that you have a hand in on it. I know I couldn't.

[TheWho]

Plus, people who care for your kids have to be licensed, like teachers (your other example) etc etc.

No one who works in a facility needs to be licensed in order to work there - they took *kids* right out of HS or college who worked in one of the programs I was in. & they knew very little.

Your parallels are getting desperate and lacking and common sense or logic.

No they dont....  There is no law that says teachers need to get a license....... most professionals dont bother to get licensed unless they are going to work for the state or working independently.

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Who... Are you telling us that people should entrust their children to the care of (**Definition: carefulness, attention to detail**) to people who have not gone through the rigiorous measures and training that licensed professionals have??

So basically you are saying that you would entrust (**Definition: To give over (something) to another for care, protection, or performance**) an unlicensed person to look after your child. That would almost be like entrusting an unlicensed carpenter to build a home.

I must say Who.... Why do you feel the need to come on to this forum and sprew pro-program propaganda??? Are you paid to come on in attempts of doing damage control for an industry that damages kids??

I swear I don't know how you can sleep at night knowing that you have a hand in on it. I know I couldn't.

If you hire a licensed contractor to build your home he may visit the site once a day, but the people building your home are not licensed.  How many engineers in the entire Microsoft corporation are licensed (very few).  Daycare workers are not licensed (except the owner).

How many teachers in the private sector have licenses (very few), colleges and universities.  The state and federal government requires people to take a test and get a license for most professions including teaching, but the private sector does not.

So to conclude, the majority of all professionals are not licensed and don’t need to be.  Since when should people feel that being licensed means being safe….. if you look at all the teachers that abused kids over the past decade 99.9 % of them were licensed professionals, is that suppose to make us feel warm and fuzzy about the licensing process?


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[Anonymous]

If you hire a licensed contractor to build your home he may visit the site once a day, but the people building your home are not licensed. How many engineers in the entire Microsoft corporation are licensed (very few). Daycare workers are not licensed (except the owner).

How many teachers in the private sector have licenses (very few), colleges and universities. The state and federal government requires people to take a test and get a license for most professions including teaching, but the private sector does not.

So to conclude, the majority of all professionals are not licensed and don’t need to be. Since when should people feel that being licensed means being safe….. if you look at all the teachers that abused kids over the past decade 99.9 % of them were licensed professionals, is that suppose to make us feel warm and fuzzy about the licensing process?

The majority of children go to public schools, not private schools. Even private schools do not hire HS grads off the streets.

The rhetoric TheWho is spreading is pure nonsense. I give him as credibility as Ann Coulter, and would not spend much time trying to refute his pendantic and misinformed ideas. TheWho is like a one-legged man in an ass-kicking contest. So why bother?