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« Reply #46 on: October 16, 2007, 12:13:32 AM »
So you thought you'd throw it into the Martin Lee Anderson thread to derail the discussion?
Why don't you be considerate and move it to it's own thread or Open Free for All.
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« Reply #47 on: October 16, 2007, 12:35:09 AM »
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Disclaimer: Not trying to discredit you or anything. They already have the guys name and passport #, just thought it was an uncanny coincidence
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What the hell does that mean, "uncanny coincidence?"
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« Reply #48 on: October 16, 2007, 01:09:18 AM »
Sure hope this alleged pedo like adult size males because it sounds like if he's proven guilty as charged, he will be spending a lot of time around grown men, confined to a prison with a lot of big dickheads who typically don't like being around perverts who sexually abuse children.  Isolation would be better than being put into the general population but then again, there is something to be said for perverted justice.
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« Reply #49 on: October 16, 2007, 01:32:16 AM »
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Department of Justice Reviewing Evidence Concerning Florida Boot Camp Death of Martin Anderson
Author: U.S. Department of Justice
Published on Oct 13, 2007, 08:28



U.S. Attorney for the Northern District of Florida Gregory Robert Miller and Acting Assistant Attorney General for the Civil Rights Division Rena Comisac announced today that the Department of Justice is reviewing evidence concerning the death of 14-year-old Martin Anderson following his collapse at a Bay County, Fla., boot camp for juvenile offenders on n. January 5, 2006. The Civil Rights Division and the U.S. Attorney's Office have been actively monitoring the state's prosecution of the boot camp personnel, which concluded this week.

The Civil Rights Division and the U.S. Attorney's Office will conduct a thorough and independent review of all of the evidence, including the state trial transcripts, and take appropriate action if the evidence indicates a prosecutable violation of federal criminal civil rights statutes. This is an on-going criminal investigation; therefore, the Department can make no further comment on this case at this time.

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« Reply #50 on: October 16, 2007, 03:02:53 AM »
Lawds... ANother kiddie fiddler hiding out in Asia??? Who would of thunk it???

I'm so dearly surprised.

not..

sickest collection of wierdos in the world can be found in Asia. Sad part is the parents sell the kids into it about half the time and the other half they are stolen right out of their village.

Most mind boggling thing about it is most dudes could shack up with a 20 something year old drop dead hot native girl every single night and not bang the same one more than once a month.

yet the wierdos still go after kids.


No clue who the person in the avatar is I copied it from someone else off another website. But yeah they do sorta look a like.
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« Reply #51 on: October 16, 2007, 07:22:23 AM »
Guards, nurse acquitted of manslaughter in boot camp case
   
PANAMA CITY, Florida -- An all-white jury found all defendants not guilty in the death of Martin Lee Anderson after 90 minutes of deliberations.

Anderson's mother, Gina Jones, stormed out the courtroom after the final verdict was read.

"I can't see my son no more, but everybody sees their family!" Jones shouted.

Six jurors cleared the seven former Bay County juvenile boot camp drill instructors and a camp nurse not responsible for the 14-year-old boy's death. They were seen on a video kicking, kneeing and punching the boy, but the defense proved he died from a benign blood disorder, sickle-cell trait, not by the guards' actions.

The case has been racially charged since five of the defendants were white, two black and one Asian.

"You kill a dog and go to jail, you kill a little black boy and nothing happens," said Ben Crump, attorney for Anderson's parents.

Jurors in the case were escorted out by sheriff deputies as they entered their vehicles, and were given escorts by deputies driving patrol cars.

A number of defense attorneys appeared on Court TV following the verdict, and Bay County Circuit Judge Michael Overstreet, who presided over the case, watched from a chair in the courtroom on a television, sometimes laughing at the commentary.

The three Hillsborough County prosecutors who tried the case left immediately after the verdict.

Defense attorneys were more than happy to give media interviews.

Hoot Crawford, who represented Henry McFadden Jr., said the prosecution's witnesses hurt their own case.

"Two experts having conflicting testimony," Crawford said. "Their witnesses killed them."

The prosecution had one medical examiner testify Anderson died from suffocation, while another disagreed and said the boy died from lack of oxygen.

Lawmakers react to verdict
The not-guilty verdicts came just as Florida's Legislature was concluding its budget-cutting special session.

House Speaker Marco Rubio, however, said he had not followed the trial closely and was reluctant to pass judgment.

"The Martin Lee Anderson is a tragic episode in Florida's history. It's an understatement to say it's not one of our proudest moments," said Rubio, R-West Miami and the first Cuban-American to be elected Florida House Speaker.

However, Rubio said, "I'm not a member of that jury, I don't know the evidence. I, quite frankly, didn't follow the trial at that level of detail. I can tell you what I saw in that videotape is not something anyone's proud of around here."

Reaction from Florida's black legislators was swift, and angry.

"It is a sad day in the state of Florida. Martin Lee Anderson did not receive justice, and I am livid," said Sen. Frederica Wilson, D-Miami Gardens.

She called on the U.S. Justice Department to immediately intervene, and investigate how Bay County handled the trial, including the selection of an all-white jury.

"We will not stop until we see justice," she said. "President Bush needs to make sure there is a thorough investigation. Even Martin Lee's parents had to leave Panama City because of harassment."

Wilson said the trial was conducted in an atmosphere of racism. "I'm surprised they didn't have nooses outside the courthouse," she said. "This is the Florida of yesterday."

Some of them called on African Americans throughout the United States to boycott Bay County and its tourist-driven economy.

"We need to look at making Bay County off-limits," said Rep. Frank Peterman, D-St. Petersburg. "I would encourage African Americans to not go there -- don't patronize anything there."

The call for a civil rights investigation was echoed by Rep. Joe Gibbons, R-Pembroke Park. "The federal government should get involved," he said.

Others remained stunned by the verdict itself.

"I expected some charges ...not for them to just walk away," said Rep. Betty Reed, D-Tampa.

Sen. Al Lawson, D-Tallahassee and a veteran member of the black caucus, said his feelings were mixed.

It's unlikely the guards went to work intending to harm an inmate, he said. At the same time, the jury was also probably confused by conflicting medical evidence.

"I didn't think you could get a conviction in Bay County and I was correct," he said. "I don't know whether justice was served."

Students protest
Some students walked out of classes at Florida A&M University and Florida State University today to protest the not-guilty verdict.

"I just got several phone calls. Please let everyone know that we are not organizing this, these people walked out on their own. The kids are just mad," said Vanessa Baden, an organizer for the Student Coalition for Justice.

Baden said she received several phone calls from angry students shortly after the verdict was announced and was told they planned a spontaneous march on the Capitol. Their calls were followed by calls from Capitol Police asking if a protest was planned, Baden said.

By 2:15 p.m., the Capitol Courtyard was empty of protesters.

Baden said the verdict was devastating and called for a federal investigation.

"We are going to pursue federal charges, we are going to work with the NAACP," she said. "It's very difficult to comprehend how the jury could come back with a verdict in 90 minutes. Nevertheless, we can't say we didn't expect this."

Baden said the verdict will only stiffen her resolve.

"Justice has not been served," she said. "One day, we are going to be able to tell our kids that a black life is just as worthy as a white life."

Stephen D. Price, Paige St. John and Jim Ash, Florida Capital Bureau
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« Reply #52 on: October 16, 2007, 10:37:43 AM »
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I've been sick over this all weekend.  This is the kind of shit that makes me want to chuck everything and move to some island somewhere.  WTF is wrong with people?  

I give up.  Its on tape this time and still no one gives a fuck.

 :flame:  :flame:  ::noway::  :cry:
That's not true, we give a fuck, the jury didn't

Hope you's feel better soon

Exhausted


I know, I know.  WE care but so far, that doesn't seem  to matter much.  I'm fine, just a little discouraged.  It happens.  Who knows?  Maybe the verdict itself will cause an uproar.  Hell, even the attorneys in my building are freaked out about it and that's saying something.
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« Reply #53 on: October 16, 2007, 12:10:57 PM »
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"We need to look at making Bay County off-limits," said Rep. Frank Peterman, D-St. Petersburg. "I would encourage African Americans to not go there -- don't patronize anything there."


*looks into a vacation in Bay County, or possibly staying there for the whole winter*
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« Reply #54 on: October 16, 2007, 12:51:46 PM »
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"Two experts having conflicting testimony," Crawford said. "Their witnesses killed them."

The prosecution had one medical examiner testify Anderson died from suffocation, while another disagreed and said the boy died from lack of oxygen.

WHAT?!?!?!?

That still doesn't beat...

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They were seen on a video kicking, kneeing and punching the boy, but the defense proved he died from a benign blood disorder, sickle-cell trait, not by the guards' actions.


Wow. O-K.

And now we watch as this segues into a race issue.
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« Reply #55 on: October 16, 2007, 01:54:12 PM »
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I've been sick over this all weekend.  This is the kind of shit that makes me want to chuck everything and move to some island somewhere.  WTF is wrong with people?  

I give up.  Its on tape this time and still no one gives a fuck.

 :flame:  :flame:  ::noway::  :cry:
That's not true, we give a fuck, the jury didn't

Hope you's feel better soon

Exhausted

I know, I know.  WE care but so far, that doesn't seem  to matter much.  I'm fine, just a little discouraged.  It happens.  Who knows?  Maybe the verdict itself will cause an uproar.  Hell, even the attorneys in my building are freaked out about it and that's saying something.
Exactly why it is so important that this does not become a race issue.

It's a child murder issue, if you go home and do this to your kid, you are going to spend a long time inside for it, or the death penalty in some states. Don't bother going down the discipline route or the trying to control your child's unruly behaviour route because that route does not work for you, you are not exempt unlike these proffessionals'
Which brings me to the whacky law and the fact they send kids to these places because us parents aren't allowed to discipline them, if we did beat our kids, they'd be too scared to behave in a way that ends them up in a program.

So yes there needs to be an uproar, which leads me onto .......

Niles,
Another thing to be wary of concentrating too much on is what MLA died of, we know this kid died - be it from sickle cell, suffocation or a good beating, or maybe a combination, the focus has to remain on the fact that he was beaten, kicked and punched, had ammonia shoved up his nostrils, even if he survived that, the fact still remains that those animals did that to him as we watched in horror, the evidence is there, they really did do it, and they got away with it, the world needs to concentrate on that fact.
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« Reply #56 on: October 16, 2007, 04:24:26 PM »
Exhausted, that is my point.

But all this is going to turn into is the cop-supporters putting on their dissent-squashing act, a uproar from the black community, and every other kid fucked up by the state of Florida in this iteration of captive, institutional torture will be forgotten  :roll:
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« Reply #57 on: October 16, 2007, 04:44:02 PM »
Lord exhausted, I think folks who were beat as kids would disagree with you. Substituting one kind of abuse for another is not Progress..
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« Reply #58 on: October 16, 2007, 06:17:46 PM »
What the hell are we talking about?
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« Reply #59 on: October 16, 2007, 06:47:24 PM »
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Lord exhausted, I think folks who were beat as kids would disagree with you. Substituting one kind of abuse for another is not Progress..
Yes I can see why it came across that way, it's not exactly what I meant .. I was more thinking along the lines of disciplined children are generally more well behaved (not true in all cases, including mine!) I am more getting at the point that we have become so PC when it comes to kids and their chidren's rights charter crap that it's no wonder many are going off the rails, they just don't know where they stand, everything is abuse as far as kids are concerned nowadays, if you knew how many times mine said in one day "you can't do that! I'm going to get you done!" m...kay, wanna use the phone  :roll:  My point is that chidren need, thrive and are generally happier when they have limits and boundaries, parents are too scared to look at them the wrong way nowadays because they live under constant threat of being fined or having them taken away etc

In reply to Niles, i hear you, this is why I am so filled with anger in this particular case, because I too, fear this is the way it's going to go, ... a child was murdered on camera, and his assailants got away with it, this is not about a black kid being beaten, it's not about what he did to aggrevate the situation, it is about the murder of a child, a defensless child who could be mine, yours, the lady down the street's, that is what we somehow have to keep fresh in people's minds - how to go about it? Who knows? Flyers? Posters? Getting other kids to talk to the media constantly about their treatment there? Whatever it takes, it is vital the reality of what happened is kept alive, make sure THAT drowns out the hoo har of racist cops kill black kid, the world is shocked, how shocked would they be to learn this is not an isolated incident, that's really what needs to be worked on to make sure those who have suffered the same fate are remembered & more importantly to raise awareness to a level that no program would dare let it happen again

I'm a great beliver in things happening for a reason and I firmly believe this child's lfe was taken in order to wake the world up to what's really happening.
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