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« Reply #45 on: October 10, 2007, 03:46:00 PM »
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Kutz will have that data before the next hearing.


.....He better, it didnt make him look too good!!  I think we saw the last of "I'll take that back to the board" Moss...She should have stayed at the "Holiday inn" (was that the right commercial?)
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« Reply #46 on: October 10, 2007, 03:53:01 PM »
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Kutz will have that data before the next hearing.

.....He better, it didnt make him look too good!!  I think we saw the last of "I'll take that back to the board" Moss...She should have stayed at the "Holiday inn" (was that the right commercial?)


the committe already has that information. i faxed it to them during the hearing. ::bangin::
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« Reply #47 on: October 10, 2007, 04:00:08 PM »
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Kutz will have that data before the next hearing.

.....He better, it didnt make him look too good!!  I think we saw the last of

Ha,Ha,Ha, Oh, so that was the piece of paper that the committee was passing around, I thought they were trying to figure out who ordered the $50 side of caviar at lunch.
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« Reply #48 on: October 10, 2007, 04:00:42 PM »
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Kutz will have that data before the next hearing.

.....He better, it didnt make him look too good!!  I think we saw the last of

Thanks for passing it on PM !! I'll take notes the second time through and we can collaborate on what needs to be sent.

Link to the written GAO report
http://www.gao.gov/new.items/d08146t.pdf?source=ra
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« Reply #49 on: October 10, 2007, 04:09:38 PM »
We can add the GAO report to the Inspector General and Surgeon General's reports

 
OIG Report on State Oversight of RTCs- Inadequate
http://oig.hhs.gov/oei/reports/oei-02-98-00570.pdf

Surgeon General's Report on RTCs
http://www.enterthefreudianslip.com/sur ... ential.htm
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« Reply #50 on: October 10, 2007, 04:12:51 PM »
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Kutz:  "The negative reports we recieved were not a representative sample..."

Panel:  "How many of the thousands of abuses and deaths were actually deaths?"

Kutz: " The majority were abuses"  Trying to fool the panel into believing thousands died!!

Panel:  "Do you have a number of those who died"

Kutz:  Refused to disclose the number of deaths leaving the panel to believe the parents present represented the only children who died.

Panel/ Miller:  appeared not to be pleased in Kutz lack of preperation and dodging the questions.


He said ten deaths were found in his investigation, repeatedly. He also added that no reliable reporting system is in place to accurately quantify cases of abuse, deaths, incidents. The panel was very pleased with his testimony as well as the parents and ASTART lady. The only dancing being done was by the NATSAP lady.
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« Reply #51 on: October 10, 2007, 04:16:42 PM »
Thanks for the link... it is interesting that not one case involved a boarding school or TBS.  They were all wilderness phases or military style boot camps.  It will be interesting to see the data if/when Kutz decides to release it.  It appears the TBS's are not the issue here.

So far it parallels/ supports the data that I have been presenting.
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« Reply #52 on: October 10, 2007, 04:23:52 PM »
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Kutz:  "The negative reports we recieved were not a representative sample..."

Panel:  "How many of the thousands of abuses and deaths were actually deaths?"

Kutz: " The majority were abuses"  Trying to fool the panel into believing thousands died!!

Panel:  "Do you have a number of those who died"

Kutz:  Refused to disclose the number of deaths leaving the panel to believe the parents present represented the only children who died.

Panel/ Miller:  appeared not to be pleased in Kutz lack of preperation and dodging the questions.

He said ten deaths were found in his investigation, repeatedly. He also added that no reliable reporting system is in place to accurately quantify cases of abuse, deaths, incidents. The panel was very pleased with his testimony as well as the parents and ASTART lady. The only dancing being done was by the NATSAP lady.


funny how we see it differently, I saw George as unpleased that Kutz didnt have more facts in front of him and seemed to dance around some of the questions.... I do agree that they were not pleased with Moss's preparedness and wanting to take everything back to the board.
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« Reply #53 on: October 10, 2007, 04:29:26 PM »
Enough of this who, we can all watch the video and see for ourselves. Kutz did very well.

What is there to see differently in my last post? It's all fact....
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« Reply #54 on: October 10, 2007, 04:32:05 PM »
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funny how we see it differently, I saw George as unpleased that Kutz didnt have more facts in front of him and seemed to dance around some of the questions.... I do agree that they were not pleased with Moss's preparedness and wanting to take everything back to the board.


You see everything differently, since your head is buried in your ass.
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« Reply #55 on: October 10, 2007, 04:48:39 PM »
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funny how we see it differently, I saw George as unpleased that Kutz didnt have more facts in front of him and seemed to dance around some of the questions.... I do agree that they were not pleased with Moss's preparedness and wanting to take everything back to the board.

You see everything differently, since your head is buried in your ass.


Zen, you should choose a new avatar until you can get yourself more centered and maybe relax a little.  Try sharing your point of view instead of just attacking other people.  I realize the hearing didnt go your way, it was'nt an open hearing to everyone (albeit, only the first) but they are going to reconvene and discuss the open issues in more detail the next time.
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« Reply #56 on: October 10, 2007, 05:15:44 PM »
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"I'm sorry I don't have that information in my hand right now": Hahahaha. Moss looks like someone who's walked into a viper pit and is surprised to find vipers.


LOL.. i fucking loved that part.  Jan got Pwned... Her lawyer was constantly tapping her on teh shoulder... She was visably not pleased with the outcome. Clearly, what happened was not on her agenda. I don't think she was expecting what happened (and frankly, neither was I).

And don't think I wasn't making faces in the back during her testimony.. lol...  When Miller really started letting her have it you should have seen my grin.
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« Reply #57 on: October 10, 2007, 05:27:44 PM »
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One panel guy mentioned he had a few family members who went to these places and seemed pleased with their outcome.  So it looks like they recognize the abuse doesnt apply to all places.


Aah.. regular as clockwork.... TheWho posting again as guest.  Always around in time to defend NATSAP.  If i'm wrong and it's some other industry shill, I humbly apologize.
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« Reply #58 on: October 10, 2007, 05:30:26 PM »
Hey Psy, who else was there?  Are you going to write a post recapping the hearing and your observations? How many survivors showed up?  Did you talk to the media and/or observe anyone else being interviewed?  Do you think Miller is aware that many folks were disappointed he didn't select even one token survivor to testify?  There are no guarantees there will be continued hearings and frankly the early media coverage has been fairly shitty.  Where are the survivor stories?
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« Reply #59 on: October 10, 2007, 05:37:43 PM »
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funny how we see it differently, I saw George as unpleased that Kutz didnt have more facts in front of him and seemed to dance around some of the questions.... I do agree that they were not pleased with Moss's preparedness and wanting to take everything back to the board.

You see everything differently, since your head is buried in your ass.

Zen, you should choose a new avatar until you can get yourself more centered and maybe relax a little.  Try sharing your point of view instead of just attacking other people.  I realize the hearing didnt go your way, it was'nt an open hearing to everyone (albeit, only the first) but they are going to reconvene and discuss the open issues in more detail the next time.


Oh no, it went his way.

Zen if you haven't seen it yet take my word, it's the good stuff.
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