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Anonymous:
I knew if you really tried your best you could do it.

So how does it feel? Speech, speech, speech!

Che Gookin:
My balls itch.

Anonymous:
You're funny. That's one reason I like you. There are many reasons I like you though. Another reason is because you are honest. I also like you because you base your sense of reality on facts and the real world situation. Sometimes you meet people who base their entire reality on things they have never seen. Never touched, never smelled or slept in. Another thing I like about you is that you travel a lot. I think that says a lot about you as a person. That you aren't afraid to get out there and attack life for everything it's worth. A lot of people are afraid to go places. Especially as far as Asia, which is pretty much as far away as you can get at the moment, unless you are an astronaut. Besides these things I always liked the fact that you don't' take yourself overly serious at the same time. I also like that you have a sense of authority without being over bearing. You lead by example instead of being a hypocrite which is needed in any good leader. Besides all these positive attributes, I like the fact that you are against programs and coercive therapy. I think I understand now why you are against these things. I have read a lot of what you have written, and I think that I am beginning to understand where you are coming from. I would say out of all the posters I have read in the past eighteen months your posts have made me think the most because you use your experience to form and pose some very serious and poignant questions. A lot of stuff around fornits is just bullshit and flamewars back and forth that don't matter to nobody. But what does matter to a lot of people is dealing with their own memories and experience. I don't think a lot of people wake up from nightmares about TheWho or a flamewar, but I know a lot of people have nightmares about their own experiences. Something drives people to return to fornits all the time and I think that is a sense of wanting to figure shit out. I think the problem has no solution though, I think it will be with us until we are all dead unfortunately. I would like to think otherwise. I think the best situation one can hope for is a situation that the programs will be at least safer than the ones now. It would be easy to clean it up just get rid of unnregulated private programs and that will solve a lot of problems. They can make it so a child cannot be coerced unless they are admitted to a hospital which takes a doctors signature. That puts somebody on the line in case they are wrong or something happens. Otherwise it is just swept under the rug and we can't have that. A couple hundred years ago parents left their children to die because they were so poor they couldn't feed them. Now parents have enough money to feed fifty children and they still abandon them it shows the true nature of the problem is not economic or societal it is a human problem. It will always be with us unless we start having three person marriages. Maybe that would help. If two men and a woman or two woman and a man got married that would free an adult up to care for the children since most families have two working parents. I noticed most kids came from two working parent houses and a lot of single parent homes and divorced homes. If three people got married the chances of at least two of them staying together would increase. Maybe even four or five people marriages would work better who knows right. Anyways Gook I just wanted you to know I am rooting for you this time and hope you do well. I had you pegged wrong for a long time and should of seen the light sooner. I am being serious and this is not some wierd joke or something I really like you a lot. I think you are a valuable poster and important source of information for fornits. If you ever visit the US again i would like to buy you a beer, or a few. I hope you are doing well. I remember you said you were dealing with medical issues. Those always suck. I've had a few of those myself and they really can put you under the weather and make you realize what's important. Being healthy and not sick is the most important thing because if you don't have your health you don't have squat. I twisted my knee bad actually  a bit ago and then I found your thread on here about it coincidentally and thought of you in solidarity. I never had a problem with the staff who worked at the program really. The worst staff you know were the kids who ended up working for the program and graduated from it because they really believed in it with all their heart. They were angry and pissed off and so they took their anger out on the kids. There were reports of sexual abuse in the program so I can't condone that behavior from staff but mostly they were just normal people. My escape would of been a lot worse had it not been for the help of a nice staff so I know there are nice staff out there caught up in the bullshit. They are right in knowing whether they stay or go, the kids will remain, they have no say or impact on that fact. So if they are a descent person, just by staying they are possibly preventing a abuser from taking the helm, which in itself is a positive act. This is not a story often told however. But it is the subtle facts of program life that is often overlooked. We had a cool staff once and he got fired for being too nice actually and I remember the young kid in our group was crying because he left so there were some good staff. That's what is kind of scary about it is you never know. The abusers and nice staff all look the same, wear the same uniform, have the same name badges. It really throws you off your guard when someone says they love you and then the next day hurts you badly. It messes with your sense of trust in other humans and makes you question their motivations. That is why I questioned your motivations for a very long time but I think I was wrong. I am glad you have made administrator of fornits and think you will do an excellent job. I think you are a trusted person that will help this website rather than hurt it. I have to say I have mixed feelings about the site obviously since it is a battlefield of ideas. I used to get angry that people would question reality I have seen with my own eyes and so have you. Now I just feel sorry for them. I realize there is nothing I can do to change the flow of this river. There is a time you must realize you must swim to shore before you drowned. Now I feel sorry for them and their families. I think of my own parent while they were still alive, thinking all the while they made the right decision. We never did talk about it. I think they know they were wrong. I held out. So did they. No winners emerged, other than the program that pocketed enough money to bankrupt them. Pathetic tale it is and being told is not enough to prevent it from proliferating again and again. Maybe they want to become full fledged members of fornits by default. Maybe they feel a desperate need to be part of something. Even if that something is misery and loneliness and a longing for something that can never return, like shattered glass it can never be put back together. I do not understand why they keep coming like a herd running off a cliff they seal their fate. Maybe they will get lucky and be the people who seem to get something out of this industry. Or maybe they will be psychologically capable of lying to themselves long enough they will never have to deal with the truth of the matter. Since the first time you posted I knew you would  be a prolific and well known and respected member of fornits. Today is a confirmation of my original expectations and admiration of your candor and ability to strike at the root of any matter. I hope you are having a good time on your vacation . Do not forget to take a moment out of your travels now and again to pop in and say hello. Your posts always remind why it is I keep torturing myself by coming to this website. I mean that in a good way. I hope you don't think is a troll or a joke or something those days are behind me. I respect you and will not give you a hard time anymore because I think you are a awesome guy!

Che Gookin:

--- Quote from: ""Guest"" ---You're funny. That's one reason I like you. There are many reasons I like you though. Another reason is because you are honest. I also like you because you base your sense of reality on facts and the real world situation. Sometimes you meet people who base their entire reality on things they have never seen. Never touched, never smelled or slept in. Another thing I like about you is that you travel a lot. I think that says a lot about you as a person. That you aren't afraid to get out there and attack life for everything it's worth. A lot of people are afraid to go places. Especially as far as Asia, which is pretty much as far away as you can get at the moment, unless you are an astronaut. Besides these things I always liked the fact that you don't' take yourself overly serious at the same time. I also like that you have a sense of authority without being over bearing. You lead by example instead of being a hypocrite which is needed in any good leader. Besides all these positive attributes, I like the fact that you are against programs and coercive therapy. I think I understand now why you are against these things. I have read a lot of what you have written, and I think that I am beginning to understand where you are coming from. I would say out of all the posters I have read in the past eighteen months your posts have made me think the most because you use your experience to form and pose some very serious and poignant questions. A lot of stuff around fornits is just bullshit and flamewars back and forth that don't matter to nobody. But what does matter to a lot of people is dealing with their own memories and experience. I don't think a lot of people wake up from nightmares about TheWho or a flamewar, but I know a lot of people have nightmares about their own experiences. Something drives people to return to fornits all the time and I think that is a sense of wanting to figure shit out. I think the problem has no solution though, I think it will be with us until we are all dead unfortunately. I would like to think otherwise. I think the best situation one can hope for is a situation that the programs will be at least safer than the ones now. It would be easy to clean it up just get rid of unnregulated private programs and that will solve a lot of problems. They can make it so a child cannot be coerced unless they are admitted to a hospital which takes a doctors signature. That puts somebody on the line in case they are wrong or something happens. Otherwise it is just swept under the rug and we can't have that. A couple hundred years ago parents left their children to die because they were so poor they couldn't feed them. Now parents have enough money to feed fifty children and they still abandon them it shows the true nature of the problem is not economic or societal it is a human problem. It will always be with us unless we start having three person marriages. Maybe that would help. If two men and a woman or two woman and a man got married that would free an adult up to care for the children since most families have two working parents. I noticed most kids came from two working parent houses and a lot of single parent homes and divorced homes. If three people got married the chances of at least two of them staying together would increase. Maybe even four or five people marriages would work better who knows right. Anyways Gook I just wanted you to know I am rooting for you this time and hope you do well. I had you pegged wrong for a long time and should of seen the light sooner. I am being serious and this is not some wierd joke or something I really like you a lot. I think you are a valuable poster and important source of information for fornits. If you ever visit the US again i would like to buy you a beer, or a few. I hope you are doing well. I remember you said you were dealing with medical issues. Those always suck. I've had a few of those myself and they really can put you under the weather and make you realize what's important. Being healthy and not sick is the most important thing because if you don't have your health you don't have squat. I twisted my knee bad actually  a bit ago and then I found your thread on here about it coincidentally and thought of you in solidarity. I never had a problem with the staff who worked at the program really. The worst staff you know were the kids who ended up working for the program and graduated from it because they really believed in it with all their heart. They were angry and pissed off and so they took their anger out on the kids. There were reports of sexual abuse in the program so I can't condone that behavior from staff but mostly they were just normal people. My escape would of been a lot worse had it not been for the help of a nice staff so I know there are nice staff out there caught up in the bullshit. They are right in knowing whether they stay or go, the kids will remain, they have no say or impact on that fact. So if they are a descent person, just by staying they are possibly preventing a abuser from taking the helm, which in itself is a positive act. This is not a story often told however. But it is the subtle facts of program life that is often overlooked. We had a cool staff once and he got fired for being too nice actually and I remember the young kid in our group was crying because he left so there were some good staff. That's what is kind of scary about it is you never know. The abusers and nice staff all look the same, wear the same uniform, have the same name badges. It really throws you off your guard when someone says they love you and then the next day hurts you badly. It messes with your sense of trust in other humans and makes you question their motivations. That is why I questioned your motivations for a very long time but I think I was wrong. I am glad you have made administrator of fornits and think you will do an excellent job. I think you are a trusted person that will help this website rather than hurt it. I have to say I have mixed feelings about the site obviously since it is a battlefield of ideas. I used to get angry that people would question reality I have seen with my own eyes and so have you. Now I just feel sorry for them. I realize there is nothing I can do to change the flow of this river. There is a time you must realize you must swim to shore before you drowned. Now I feel sorry for them and their families. I think of my own parent while they were still alive, thinking all the while they made the right decision. We never did talk about it. I think they know they were wrong. I held out. So did they. No winners emerged, other than the program that pocketed enough money to bankrupt them. Pathetic tale it is and being told is not enough to prevent it from proliferating again and again. Maybe they want to become full fledged members of fornits by default. Maybe they feel a desperate need to be part of something. Even if that something is misery and loneliness and a longing for something that can never return, like shattered glass it can never be put back together. I do not understand why they keep coming like a herd running off a cliff they seal their fate. Maybe they will get lucky and be the people who seem to get something out of this industry. Or maybe they will be psychologically capable of lying to themselves long enough they will never have to deal with the truth of the matter. Since the first time you posted I knew you would  be a prolific and well known and respected member of fornits. Today is a confirmation of my original expectations and admiration of your candor and ability to strike at the root of any matter. I hope you are having a good time on your vacation . Do not forget to take a moment out of your travels now and again to pop in and say hello. Your posts always remind why it is I keep torturing myself by coming to this website. I mean that in a good way. I hope you don't think is a troll or a joke or something those days are behind me. I respect you and will not give you a hard time anymore because I think you are a awesome guy!
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I know who this is and thank you. You made me cry like a little kid from reading this. I'll do my best to not let you down.

TheWho:
TSW[/color], Welcome back!



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