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Ursus:
Eliscu2, it sounds like your whole family got fucked over by Elan, in one way or another...
The Elan Reporter:
(Yes he was a pain in the ass,but watching him defy,get beaten and come back for more was truly entertaining. )
Why would that be entertaining to you?
Did it ever occur to you that the reason he defied elan was because elan was defieable? When I was there almost everyone of my peers defied elan and either tried to split, or split, or when they turned 18 signed out. Yes there were a handful that had no choice but conform to the program as they had no other options.
Someone that defies the program is saying (I want out). There is nothing entertaining about someone who defies the program then gets beaten for it. I'm not sure what you really mean by beaten back in the 70's era, but as far as I know no one was beaten in elan in the 80's unless placed in the boxing ring.
I've seen my share of corner people that expressed how they did not want to be at elan and they truly made that known. They were being held as hostages by elan for not conforming to the program.
Ursus:
--- Quote from: ""artman11111"" ---Marty had us kids shoveling snow in shorts and shoes w/ou laces from one pile to another and back again.
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Why is this picture just so friggin' familiar to me!? We had to do it with dirt piles; the distance the stuff had to be lugged (there and back) was idiosyncratically proportional to the degree of your offense, or how much of a hard head you were about it. Or how much the relevant staff hated you, or how much you pissed them off. Sometimes we had to do it with wood piles. I'm sure somebody or other had to do it with snow. Don't know about the lack of shoelaces, however.
Note that Joe Gauld was a rabid Hawk, and who would probably have disowned his own son if he had refused to enlist in the Vietnam War, a fact that he discusses in his book "Character First..." Actually, he talks about his wife, Blanche, saying that to their son, and how proud he was of his wife's courage and high ethical convictions. As it turned out, historical timing spared this family that decision. Nevertheless, shortly before my time, there was a faculty member who was forced to resign due to his anti-Vietnam War philosophy.
I don't think Joe Ricci was a rabid Hawk, but I don't really know that for a fact. Was he? Are these punishments and means of controlling kids' behaviors and psyche's a primarily conservative bent, or do they defy political roots and definition?
Ursus:
--- Quote from: ""artman11111"" ---Several times I had seen Marty,Joe Rodrigas,and even Joe Ricci, manhandle,smack him with a briefcase on the head,and hit him in the head from behind.
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Oh, and there was a girl at Hyde during my time who Joe Gauld smacked in the face so hard her glasses went flying into the dirt. Is this shit from a military school paradigm?
Ursus:
--- Quote from: ""artman11111"" ---I dont mind telling/reading a story. But I really dont want to conversate about it all the time. Its a time in my life that I have mixed memories about. Mostly all bad,except for some of the people I have remained close with.
Monday morning,Robert Oconnor will be burried in Me. He has been maybe my closest fiend for the better part of 30 years. I am crushed by his death. I loved him like a brother,and always will. I pray that his wife Wendy heals from this devastating wound that we share. She has been a good friend. We love her as well.
From my perspective,God got himself the most loyal friend that I ever knew.
A
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What happened to Robert O'Conner?
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