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A response to the HLA Parody Site

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Anonymous:
johnny ringo is right...in some aspects. yes, there are limitations to free speech e.g you cant scream fire in a crowded theatre; but he really is failing to see the big picture. sure you can use the hitler example, but the thing is i can use it too. anyone can. hitler used a scapegoat - the jews - to incite mass panic and start restricting freedoms. george bush used a scapegoat - terrorists - and used that to institute the patriot act.

in other countries, particularly in northern europe e.g denmark, norway, sweeden, netherlands, etc. freedom is not taken for granted. anytime the goverment screws up, anytime something happens that the people really dont like, there are riots in the streets. no prostests, or cnn coresspondents arguing, but riots. this really keeps the goverment in check. these riots dont happen too often because the goverment is too afraid of doing anything to incite one. unfourtunately, the american people are too tame. they've given up their inalienable rights in return for greater security.

what i'm trying to say is that dissent in a crucial part of a functional society and the supression of it, however rediculous, asinine, or offensive it may be, is suicide. dissent is the very principle under which america was founded, and it must be upheld. i'm not saying rebel against all just to rebel, i'm saying people should think for themselves, and be allowed to express themselves in any which way they like.

johnny, what you are saying is that we should give up our freedoms in return for greater security, to keep this country going. but it is freedom in of itself which is what keeps america going. without it, we'd just be another dictatorship.

therefore, no matter how asinine you may think fornits or the mock website may be, we have every right to do it. if I wish, i could even rent out a billboards all over n.georgia which says "hidden lake academy is a scam" and i wont get in trouble. my lawyer ...ehem...I....make more than your lawyer does.

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Anonymous:
Those pages don't exist.

If they got deleted, they probably got deleted for being NOT FUNNY.

Also, ED is Internet-centric, so anything new you make there should have to do with the Internet. Fornits has its own wiki.

psy:

--- Quote from: ""Johnny Ringo"" ---The last discussion is quite interesting. Supporting this type of nonsense does undermine what you are trying to do. But alas, you have nothing else. The "paradoy" site really should be appreciated for what it is; the last ditch effort of a few bitter, angry, and morally corrupt individuals. I have pointed it out before and, at the risk of sounding redundant, will do so again. All any of you ultimately have is personal attacks. Middle school, juvienille attacks. Not even intellectually sophisticated attacks; and this is truly sad.
--- End quote ---
Let me be the first to bow to your intellectual capacity. You critize us for ad-hominem while simultaniously using it against us?!?!  ("worthless lives" "morally corrupt"...)  Wow.  Very impressive, and not a tad bit childish at all.
--- Quote ---Lastly, I honor your acknowledgment and support of the right to free speech. But as many of you should realize, rights are given up frequently by the free due to their inability to exercise those rights responsibly.
--- End quote ---
Whooo... There's the program attitude I love so much.

Let me ask you this: who delegates what is and what is not "responsible"?  Authority figures?  The Moral Majority?  Either way, it's a form of tyranny... and there goes your freedom.

One of my favorite attibutes of your program-induced insanity is that you assume that you know what's best of everybody.  You are afraid of what happens, and will continue to happen when free speech is exorcized outside of your control.  You can shut up those inside the program but you have no control here.
--- Quote ---Maybe we will never lose our right to free speech in this country. I am not so sure. This is not a dialogue, its not a discussion. It is crude, offensive and hateful diatribe and this is what will ultimately cost us our freedom of speech.
--- End quote ---
Dont' give me that hypocritical bullshit. You take freedom of speech away from your students on a daily basis.  It's a prerequisite to the operation of your little cult, or any totalistic system (including governments).  On a micro scale, you demonstrate exactly what i am trying to point out.  You take it upon yourself to decide what is and is not "responsible" speech.  Government takes it upon themselves to decide what is and is not "offensive" (morally responsible) and the FCC takes measures to shut the public up.

Regardless of the legality or prevalence of encroachments on free speech, none of it makes it in any way legitimate.  What part of "congress shall make no law" don't people like you understand?
--- Quote ---It took me steping away from the situation a bit to see this. You are no longer threatening; you have become pitiful.
--- End quote ---
You say you pity us?  Then why do you take the time to post here?  You say the parody site is infantile, that we as a group are just a bunch of bitter junkies?!  Then why did you take the time to file a complaint with the hosting service.

Being unable to control speech angers you, doesn't it.  Know that you and any others who will try will always and consistantly fail in your efforts to shut fornits down.  If at some stage it becomes illegal to host, then we will operate it illegally.  We will find a way.  It's called civil disobedience. You might want to look that up with that library card of yours.

Keep talking, the anger you produce just motivates us more.

Anonymous:
Why Psy, are we cross?  It seems to me that we both continue to use the same types of arguments with each other.  You claim to be the victim of an unfair legal system that allows individuals to file frivilous lawsuits without justification.  Trust me, HLA knows how you feel.

Yet, HLA stood its ground took its knocks and saw the issue through.  It eventually paid off because the system does work.  You may never get to go to court and be proven to have done no wrong.  The American legal system doesn't do that.  All they can say is that you haven't done what your accused of doing.  Not that you are blameless.  Thus you may have to throw a few dollars at the frivilous individuals who file the suits just to get them to go away.  Leaving the country is not the answer.

Psy, this is where all of you come off as terrorists.  I believe you are a marginalized group.  I may be wrong.  Maybe the vast majority of America would agree with what you say.  However, the way you choose to get your message out there only further marginalizes your cause.

It really doesn't matter if you offend me or the staff at HLA.  We already found you offensive.  But when you adopt a policy that offends those individuals you need for support you are cutting your own throat.  What politician would take up your cause and run the risk of the average American looking at this site and the repulsive things said here?  None.  They would never be taken seriously because this site can't be taken seriously.

Now Psy, I no you feel very strongly about your cause.  This is good so far as you have understood why you feel so strongly about it.  I feel strongly about mine as well.  Not because I have any vested interest in HLA, nor do I condone abuse and neglect of children.  However, I have seen first hand the experiences at HLA and I can say emphatically that there is no abuse.  Have you been there?  Have you walked the campus?  I doubt it.

You sound much more like Hitler and Ghandi.  You seem to be suggesting that you are working to keep the free world free while they are expelling you wholesale from their countries.  You don't represent their values.  Frankly, it is to the benefit of all programs around the world that you remain marginalized.  And you seem to be willing to do that without any outside assistance.

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