Problems

[Oz girl]

Dear Ginger, Tech support, Scarlet Chiclet,

Some joker on the Hyde School forum is posting pornography. It's actually much worse than that. First he posted on this page:

http://fornits.com/wwf/viewtopic.php?t= ... 3363beb7e5

When he didn't get any reaction he posted again on this page:

http://fornits.com/wwf/viewtopic.php?p=288711#288711

I don't think anyone it appreciates it. If you watch even ten seconds of it you'll know what I mean. Could you remove it from the forum and warn the guy that he'll be banned from using the forum if that, hopefully, is is the rule.

Thank you.

Sincerely,
Someone who has enjoyed reading Fornits until now.

A good tip is to just ignore any random looking links. if the thread is on GAO hearings and somebody posts a link with some random sounding title like lemon party it is bound to be the trolling of some retarded boy with  an ax to grind so skim right over it. good Luck

[Che Gookin]

What about those people who make vile character attacks on others via anon status?

Maybe we should ignore them also.

[hanzomon4]

It may also help if we see something offensive, or troll bait, that we want to respond to by just quoting the post and starting a new thread in the Open Free For All forum to keep it from taking over a good thread.

[3xsaSeedling]

Y'all rock... :nworthy:

Thanks for the directions, patience, and for the reassurance
:wave:

[Anonymous]

Ok, I haven't got time now to find the Gook's words of wisdom on user blocking. Wish I did. But as to the porn content, I don't usually edit other people's posts unless they request it or at least give their ok. We don't make editorial decisions we just keep the site up so that each user can make their own calls. There's a whole lot of content on here that I find to be far more offensive than pornographic images. Sometimes I argue against it when I have the itch and the time but I don't make any attempt to control the content. And trying to ban someone is an exercise in futility even if it were a worthwhile endeavour, which I do not believe it to be. Generally, when the opposition comes out with porn, spam, ad hominem attacks then you know you've won the argument.

You might consider a cost-benefit analysis.

Benefits: it's pro-free speech to let the porno poster post away. Free speech is great, and we've been taught that it's what makes America a great country. After all, free speech is what protects our right to post on Fornits in the first place. So we are inclined not to limit our freedom of speech, and this overides all other considerations.

On to the costs: The porno poster sabotages free speech. It's hard to keep a serious discussion going in the face of his visual or textual onslaughts. He uses free speech to ambush free speech, like a terrorist uses democracy to ambush democracy.  

There's the one bad apple spoils the bunch effect. The porno poster makes the rest of the Fornits community look like a bunch of crazies.

The porno poster drives away not only those unfamiliar with the programs who come here for information and perspective, but also Fornits members who don't care to be subjected to smut either.

Where there's too much liberty, there's inequality. That's the case here. The porn is what we remember. Undeservedly. And at the cost of much good discussion. Any idiot can purchase fame by posting pornography, or by pulling a trigger for that matter.

For what it's worth, I think he should be banned from the discussion.

[Deborah]

I fail to understand how pictures of nude bodies have been classified as free "speech". They're pictures, not speech. And as far as I can tell, are used to offend rather than debate or educate.

[Anonymous]

[Anonymous]

Ok, I haven't got time now to find the Gook's words of wisdom on user blocking. Wish I did. But as to the porn content, I don't usually edit other people's posts unless they request it or at least give their ok. We don't make editorial decisions we just keep the site up so that each user can make their own calls. There's a whole lot of content on here that I find to be far more offensive than pornographic images. Sometimes I argue against it when I have the itch and the time but I don't make any attempt to control the content. And trying to ban someone is an exercise in futility even if it were a worthwhile endeavour, which I do not believe it to be. Generally, when the opposition comes out with porn, spam, ad hominem attacks then you know you've won the argument.

Well, I think you've lost one of the major benefits of this forum. And at least one of your admins is abusing their privileges, and bumping logged in users off, which undermines any credibility you might have had in a big way.  You really should think about at least temporarily blocking IP's for those who post porn or continually ruin the threads in the name of free speech.

More than one kid who is in a program today would be safely home with their parents instead, had their parents been able to stomach this site, and actually acquire some useful information. And some kids who are dead might be alive. At best this forum has been reduced to not so funny entertainment for idiots at this point, and will never be taken seriously by any prospective parent, "real" survivors, investigator, journalist, or anyone else who has a sincere interest in exposing the abuse in the teen treatment industry. Congratulations.

My user account was compromised, so I no longer log in to post. I attempted to get information on the industry from this forum in an effort to expose what happened to my son. I sincerely doubt many parents would stick around for more than 5 minutes. So you survivors who get off on others' pain and abuse, have at it. More kids will suffer because of you, providing yet more entertainment for your sick minds. For those who post useful information and discussion about real issues, I suggest you find a real forum. Disagreement, discussion, and freedom to state one's opinions are great.  This version of free speech really sucks.

And if I were you, I'd spend a teeny amount of time keeping tabs on some of your "admins"..... But oh wait... then you'd be behaving like a .... parent.....

PB Mom

[Anonymous]

Most "free speech" public forums do have a protocol. It is there to safeguard everyone's right to free speech (which isn't an issue on an Internet site) but also to control hecklers (which is an issue here) and to keep the discussion relevant (which is also an issue). Even if the protocol is relaxed, it is impossible to justify the posting of porn on a Troubled Teen Forum.

I'm not being prudish. What set me off is a video multiply posted on the Hyde Schools threads of two girls eating each other's shit and puking into each other's mouth. (I didn't actually watch it; I was careful to Google it first. But why should every video and photo on Fornits have to go through airport security?) If I wanted that kind of entertainment, I'd reread the Marquis de Sade, or go to the appropriate Web sites. But it has no place here on a Troubled Teen Forum. And since I've been provoked, I'd say that's true of all porn, not just the above described.

The point is that you are doing more harm than good to Fornits by not regulating it. Of all people, you Fornits people should be able to understand the need for regulation.

[TheWho]

I think this is an important issue and brings to light some good points.  There is really no way to effectively ban someone (as Ginger has pointed out).  But if a persons sole purpose is to disrupt the forum by posting porn then that point of origin can be shut off via his I.P.  They can always get another I.P. but it may not be worth it to the person to continually get a new I.P. just for the fun of posting a few photos.

In the case of someone like Niles they may be able to contact him privately and try to explain how harmful these postings are to present and potential parents who may be viewing.  This could directly affect whether or not a child gets placed into a program or gets placed into the proper program.

I have approached Niles myself a while back and I don’t think he truly understands the effect (or health) of his hate sites, porn and anti-Semitic has on the average reader and I found him to be a bit immature, which could account for his lack of understanding of others.  But maybe someone who knows him better (or is closer to his age) could speak to him.

[Anonymous]

You agree not to post any abusive, obscene, vulgar, slanderous, hateful, threatening, sexually-oriented or any other material that may violate any applicable laws. Doing so may lead to you being immediately and permanently banned (and your service provider being informed). The IP address of all posts is recorded to aid in enforcing these conditions. You agree that the webmaster, administrator and moderators of this forum have the right to remove, edit, move or close any topic at any time should they see fit. As a user you agree to any information you have entered above being stored in a database. While this information will not be disclosed to any third party without your consent the webmaster, administrator and moderators cannot be held responsible for any hacking attempt that may lead to the data being compromised.

This would seem to be an appropriate consequence and is what every user agrees to when creating a fornits account. Or does being a survivor give one some special right to avoid consequences for their actions, and to spew hate and abuse around for the rest of their life?

[Anonymous]

Most "free speech" public forums do have a protocol. It is there to safeguard everyone's right to free speech (which isn't an issue on an Internet site) but also to control hecklers (which is an issue here) and to keep the discussion relevant (which is also an issue). Even if the protocol is relaxed, it is impossible to justify the posting of porn on a Troubled Teen Forum.

I'm not being prudish. What set me off is a video multiply posted on the Hyde Schools threads of two girls eating each other's shit and puking into each other's mouth. (I didn't actually watch it; I was careful to Google it first. But why should every video and photo on Fornits have to go through airport security?) If I wanted that kind of entertainment, I'd reread the Marquis de Sade, or go to the appropriate Web sites. But it has no place here on a Troubled Teen Forum. And since I've been provoked, I'd say that's true of all porn, not just the above described.

The point is that you are doing more harm than good to Fornits by not regulating it. Of all people, you Fornits people should be able to understand the need for regulation.

I checked those out.  In all fairness, they were LINKS, with writen warnings.  Why would you even have to google what they are when you already get a warning?  You upset over someone posting a link?  He posted that he wasn't gonna do it again, and he hasnt.  Not enough for you?

[Anonymous]

Most "free speech" public forums do have a protocol. It is there to safeguard everyone's right to free speech (which isn't an issue on an Internet site) but also to control hecklers (which is an issue here) and to keep the discussion relevant (which is also an issue). Even if the protocol is relaxed, it is impossible to justify the posting of porn on a Troubled Teen Forum.

I'm not being prudish. What set me off is a video multiply posted on the Hyde Schools threads of two girls eating each other's shit and puking into each other's mouth. (I didn't actually watch it; I was careful to Google it first. But why should every video and photo on Fornits have to go through airport security?) If I wanted that kind of entertainment, I'd reread the Marquis de Sade, or go to the appropriate Web sites. But it has no place here on a Troubled Teen Forum. And since I've been provoked, I'd say that's true of all porn, not just the above described.

The point is that you are doing more harm than good to Fornits by not regulating it. Of all people, you Fornits people should be able to understand the need for regulation.

I checked those out.  In all fairness, they were LINKS, with writen warnings.  Why would you even have to google what they are when you already get a warning?  You upset over someone posting a link?  He posted that he wasn't gonna do it again, and he hasnt.  Not enough for you?

You obviously have not seen the wide range of photos, not links,  that permeate various forums and threads. Some good ones have been  totally trashed. I won't sink to the level of idiocy demonstrated by the original posters by linking to them here. Judging by the level of immaturity that runs rampant here, makes you wonder about the level of honesty of everything posted on fornits in the 1st place??? ::boohoo::

[Che Gookin]

Ok, I haven't got time now to find the Gook's words of wisdom on user blocking. Wish I did. But as to the porn content, I don't usually edit other people's posts unless they request it or at least give their ok. We don't make editorial decisions we just keep the site up so that each user can make their own calls. There's a whole lot of content on here that I find to be far more offensive than pornographic images. Sometimes I argue against it when I have the itch and the time but I don't make any attempt to control the content. And trying to ban someone is an exercise in futility even if it were a worthwhile endeavour, which I do not believe it to be. Generally, when the opposition comes out with porn, spam, ad hominem attacks then you know you've won the argument.

Well, I think you've lost one of the major benefits of this forum. And at least one of your admins is abusing their privileges, and bumping logged in users off, which undermines any credibility you might have had in a big way.  You really should think about at least temporarily blocking IP's for those who post porn or continually ruin the threads in the name of free speech.

More than one kid who is in a program today would be safely home with their parents instead, had their parents been able to stomach this site, and actually acquire some useful information. And some kids who are dead might be alive. At best this forum has been reduced to not so funny entertainment for idiots at this point, and will never be taken seriously by any prospective parent, "real" survivors, investigator, journalist, or anyone else who has a sincere interest in exposing the abuse in the teen treatment industry. Congratulations.

My user account was compromised, so I no longer log in to post. I attempted to get information on the industry from this forum in an effort to expose what happened to my son. I sincerely doubt many parents would stick around for more than 5 minutes. So you survivors who get off on others' pain and abuse, have at it. More kids will suffer because of you, providing yet more entertainment for your sick minds. For those who post useful information and discussion about real issues, I suggest you find a real forum. Disagreement, discussion, and freedom to state one's opinions are great.  This version of free speech really sucks.

And if I were you, I'd spend a teeny amount of time keeping tabs on some of your "admins"..... But oh wait... then you'd be behaving like a .... parent.....

PB Mom

Quality guilt trip.

[3xsaSeedling]

Ok, I haven't got time now to find the Gook's words of wisdom on user blocking. Wish I did. But as to the porn content, I don't usually edit other people's posts unless they request it or at least give their ok. We don't make editorial decisions we just keep the site up so that each user can make their own calls. There's a whole lot of content on here that I find to be far more offensive than pornographic images. Sometimes I argue against it when I have the itch and the time but I don't make any attempt to control the content. And trying to ban someone is an exercise in futility even if it were a worthwhile endeavour, which I do not believe it to be. Generally, when the opposition comes out with porn, spam, ad hominem attacks then you know you've won the argument.

I will find Gook's wisdom for you if it's in here:  I have nothing but time.  This is for while you're waiting...

Okay, here is a lesson in blcoking images. You can right click on the image above, and there will be an option to "block images from _________" which will always block from that server. Obviously, you will end up seeing it once, but you don't even have to wait for it to finish loading in order to use the "block" function.

If you want to unblock it, you can go to the exceptions button next to the "load images automatically" in the tools menu. (In the "main" tab.)

I'll be back...  Hope this helps.