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What R some of the worst disco groups U ever sat thru?
Ursus:
Well... kudos to you and your mum for having your heads screwed on straight. And kudos for having the kind of relationship where that can be shared amongst the two of you.
But... as crazy as you may consider me for saying this, it seems (to me) that you've aptly illustrated one of my contentions re. the mindset percolating away within the hallowed halls of blue and gold... People get ripened to pledge allegiance to some of the craziest of notions... They get robbed of their ability to think critically. To buy the schtick – and the pressure is great for the unfortunate who do not fit in naturally – you end up giving away the ability to judge. My take on it, of course, stemming from my own time...
What are your thoughts on that? And what happened afterwards to those two kids you mentioned, i.e., the Satanist and the Witch?
And do explain more re. the other situation, namely:
--- Quote from: ""Guest"" ---I always remember the time the large boy of authority let slip a tearful sentence that eluded to his gay porn troubles, confirming campus speculation. Word never really got out about that, though, but I knew.
--- End quote ---
I do believe I know exactly who you are talking about, ha ha! He married into the family, once removed, no?
Anonymous:
You make a point, Ursus. It wasn't necessarily the most far-fetched or ridiculous thing to hear, but the kid kept piling it on to the poor mother worse and worse, and nobody was listening with any sense. I don't know if anyone besides myself and my mother even saw the ludicrous situation. After The Witch spoke, someone said "please, let's not make this an argument about religion." I make it sound fairly good, but my words can't do it justice. I'm almost glad to have been in that room for the memory alone.
The Satanist wasn't a bad kid, and his family desperately wanted to accept him, and he really wanted to have a good relationship with his family, but he refused to admit that it might be possible. He was not willing to try. I hope for his sake he changes in that respect. I think when I left him he was doing a little bit better. His hygiene had improved: he used to wear the same disgusting filthy necktie every day, which was way tied way too short and never undone, just slipped over his head each time he dressed. The Witch is a daughter of Hyde faculty, and I never really got to know her well enough to call her a crazy nutcase witch.
As far as the other boy goes, I don't think anyone ever mentioned it to him again. It was so quick I wasn't sure anyone else heard it. I did hear what I heard, though: I talked to my parents about it afterwards. He was really letting it out, which I was pleased to see because he's usually this stoic wall, and just about never lets on to his real feelings, because he is one of the biggest fakes I've ever known. He's such a phony I think he sometimes fools himself. He got so into being a "hyde leader" he got shitty grades, because it was more important to him to be proctoring than studying. And he got pissy at ? for a good while just for openly telling his grades. ? didn't know he was trying to keep them a secret. I never knew what it was that made him hide his true self, but when a friend offered his own theory that the boy might be gay, I thought it would be a pretty good fit. When it was confirmed that the boy was tortured by hidden homosexual feelings, I felt it did do some explaining, though he's definitely still a jerk. Wrote something like "I don't like you" in ? yearbook (he didn't hate ? I don't think, he was in one of his moods). But I could understand him a little better, maybe. He'd only opened up for a second in front of his parents, two ultraconservative old folks, with his mother sickly and frail to the point they were afraid to confront her too hard, for she looked like she was on the brink of death.
His words were coming fast, and it was just something like he was talking about difficult challenges they had overcome and just slipped in "the porn, the straight porn, [looks away] gay porn..." It wasn't like anyone in the room was going to let their curiosity run wild during feedback.
I'd like to keep these kids privacy intact, but I can tell you that I left Hyde recently, and these kids were all of the same graduating class. I barely censored this post for my own privacy. I tried not to explicitly say I was involved with something unless it was critical to the story. But I wasn't talking about anyone else specific beyond me and those three kids, you know.
Anonymous:
I talk too much. Damn.
Jesus H Christ:
So how do you feel about being exposed to the inner workings of other families? How do you feel about Hyde? Was it a good experience?
Ursus:
--- Quote from: ""Guest"" ---You make a point, Ursus. It wasn't necessarily the most far-fetched or ridiculous thing to hear, but the kid kept piling it on to the poor mother worse and worse, and nobody was listening with any sense. I don't know if anyone besides myself and my mother even saw the ludicrous situation. After The Witch spoke, someone said "please, let's not make this an argument about religion." I make it sound fairly good, but my words can't do it justice. I'm almost glad to have been in that room for the memory alone.
--- End quote ---
Give it time. In half a dozen years, I wager that pretty much most of those who remember this discovery group will remember it pretty much the way you and your mum do. Hyde's environment generally puts a real pall on seeing the overall big picture, i.e., "reality-check!"
--- Quote ---The Satanist wasn't a bad kid, and his family desperately wanted to accept him, and he really wanted to have a good relationship with his family, but he refused to admit that it might be possible. He was not willing to try. I hope for his sake he changes in that respect. I think when I left him he was doing a little bit better. His hygiene had improved: he used to wear the same disgusting filthy necktie every day, which was way tied way too short and never undone, just slipped over his head each time he dressed. The Witch is a daughter of Hyde faculty, and I never really got to know her well enough to call her a crazy nutcase witch.
--- End quote ---
I'm no expert, but what I hear from this is that there is a real disconnect between personal identity and the identity these kids' families and/or Hyde wants them to have. Seems I've read things of that ilk in pretty much every treatise on adolescence there is. Isn't it part of your job, as a teenager, to question and test preconceived notions of the adult world? Helps keep the rest of us on our toes, and helps reduce the numbers of hypocritical asses in the world, ha ha! Sounds like that fellow's got his mum's buttons down pat. Hell, if that had been my kid, *I* probably would have burst out laughing, but I guess I'm not exactly "Hyde parent material" then, am I? :D
--- Quote from: ""Guest"" ---As far as the other boy goes, I don't think anyone ever mentioned it to him again. It was so quick I wasn't sure anyone else heard it. I did hear what I heard, though: I talked to my parents about it afterwards. He was really letting it out, which I was pleased to see because he's usually this stoic wall, and just about never lets on to his real feelings, because he is one of the biggest fakes I've ever known. He's such a phony I think he sometimes fools himself. He got so into being a "hyde leader" he got shitty grades, because it was more important to him to be proctoring than studying. And he got pissy at ? for a good while just for openly telling his grades. ? didn't know he was trying to keep them a secret. I never knew what it was that made him hide his true self, but when a friend offered his own theory that the boy might be gay, I thought it would be a pretty good fit. When it was confirmed that the boy was tortured by hidden homosexual feelings, I felt it did do some explaining, though he's definitely still a jerk. Wrote something like "I don't like you" in ? yearbook (he didn't hate ? I don't think, he was in one of his moods). But I could understand him a little better, maybe. He'd only opened up for a second in front of his parents, two ultraconservative old folks, with his mother sickly and frail to the point they were afraid to confront her too hard, for she looked like she was on the brink of death.
His words were coming fast, and it was just something like he was talking about difficult challenges they had overcome and just slipped in "the porn, the straight porn, [looks away] gay porn..." It wasn't like anyone in the room was going to let their curiosity run wild during feedback.
--- End quote ---
Well, this is a different person than the one I was thinking of (who is Hyde faculty, go figure). Sad it is, when you describe more of the whole picture... That kid has some serious self-esteem and self-acceptance issues. I might go so far as to call it self-hatred. Can't say I'm surprised to see that kind of thing not dealt with appropriately at Hyde; at a bona fide school he would have definitely qualified for some long term therapy (but that would have gone against Hyde's premise for being, so no go).
You sometimes read about middle-aged guys getting hooked on shit like that due to zero self-esteem, and it usually gets precipitated by some life crisis like job loss or marriage dissolution, etc. etc. And yeah, it often comes out that the fellow has been closeted for years and couldn't come to grips with it. And by that time, there are a million other issues and problems twisted into it making it that much more difficult to unravel and get back to a healthier outlook. Pure speculation/observation on my part. I'm hardly sane myself. :wink:
I see the latent hostility expressed by writing that crap in the yearbook as part and parcel of the same thing. That's pretty fucked up. But I wouldn't take it personally, if I were the yearbook owner. The dude really doesn't like himself. And that's the really fucked up part. Whatever does Hyde do for him? Hyde just feeds into that and exploits his bad feelings about himself in the worst possible way. This guy's a tragedy in the making.
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