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Funny article
Anonymous:
You're comparing a wedding announcement in a public newspaper, which anyone can read by buying the paper or searching online, to a waitress stealing someone's credit card information, which is not public information)? I'm not even going to address that comment. Your logic is completely ridiculous and designed to take attention away from the topic which is simply this: HLA hires unqualified people. Period, end of story. Here is a little more proof:
http://naadac.org/sap/list.php?StateID=GA
She is not listed as a licensed Substance Abuse Professional in Georgia or New York.
In your first job posting, note that the person was licensed to provide counseling. In the second posting, the person went to school specifically for Addictions Counseling and is working towards a master's. Third posting: licensed. Fourth posting: requires a master's degree unless you have previous work experience, which is determined by the hiring agency. See a theme here?
I will say this: maybe she had some previous experience working with addicted people. If so, that's great. But the fact that she does not have an advanced degree and is not licensed by the national organization to provide addiction counseling is more than just a little bit disturbing. But hey, if think that's good enough, then fine - you can send your kid there someday, if, God forbid, he has the bad luck to become addicted to something. If I have the misfortune, I think that I will find someone with a few more qualifications to treat my child. I am not trying to specifically bash this woman - maybe she is working towards her license or master's degree. But the fact remains that she has neither of those things and is still employed to give addictions counseling to young, confused, impressionable teenagers.
And yes, you did attack me. I'm not playing the victim here. It is in black and white for anyone to see. In your initial response to me, you called me a miserable person, said that I lacked compassion and had little respect for myself. Are you going to try to distance yourself from your own statements?
You're right in that I have a beef with HLA, and I will take issue with anyone who works there, not just senior management. Anyone who works there, I am quite sure, is aware that there are serious problems with the place (how could they not?), and even if they are not causing the problems, they are just as guilty by association. They condone those actions by continuing to work there.
--- Quote from: ""Guest"" ---
--- Quote --- News flash, buddy - their bridal announcement was on the web. So you can stop with the implication that I somehow violated their privacy by reposting it here.
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You still don’t get it. They put their wedding announcement in the news paper for the purpose of sharing their happiness and their next step in life. Its not a resume. It is not intended to be reposted all over the internet and held up for ridicule for family members and friends to witness your poor judgment and bad taste.
If you hand your credit card to your waitress does that allow her to give the number and name to other people? Can she post it in the kitchen for others to see or write them down and keep a list at home? Or is there an implied trust that she will use the card for a single purpose?
When this woman posted her bridal announcement did she intend or expect to have to defend her qualifications as an addiction counselor? Do you expect that in the future people include all their work experience and justify their career position in the bridal announcement?
If you have a beef with HLA, stick with the senior staff or board members who have a say in how the ship is steered.
--- Quote ---Here's what I am trying to say – no respected business would hire a person with a bachelor's degree in Psychology to be an addictions counselor. It is simply not done. You don't generally get anywhere in the Psychology field without obtaining at least a master's degree and doing some internships. But apparently you know more about the field I work in than I do, so please, excuse me.
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If you feel strongly about this then try to make some constructive criticism which will benefit the industry, the kids, educate the parents, lay the ground work for industry wide changes. This type of ridicule only belittles yourself and shows the weak position everyone has against HLA when you need to resort to trying to find fault with each employee and picking apart their career goals.
Here are some job postings from around the country:
###### was with the WATCh Program since May 2002 before coming to the CCP program. Prior to coming to the WATCh Program, ##### had over 12 years experience as an addictions and sex offender counselor in Minnesota at the Lino Lakes Prison. ##### obtained her Bachelor's degree from St. Catherine’s College and is a Licensed Addictions Counselor in Montana.
#### has worked at CCCS for since October 1997. She was previously a bookkeeper and office manager until being hired as an Resident Assistant at the Women's Transition Center. #### transferred to CCP as a Counselor Technician, and then was promoted to an Addictions Counselor position. She has an Associates degree in Addictions Counseling from the University of Great Falls, in Great Falls, MT. ### will graduate in May 2005 with a Bachelor's degree in Liberal Studies from Montana Tech of the University of Montana in Butte, MT. She plans to attend graduate school at the University of Montana, where she will work for a Master's in Social Work.
#### began his employment with the Community, Counseling, and Correctional Services, Inc. (CCCS) in June 2001. He previously worked as an officer in Adult Probation and Parole, an Addictions Counselor at the Montana Chemical Dependency Center, a Unit Manager at Pine Hills and an Adolescent Counselor at the Rivendell of Butte facility. ### holds a Bachelor of Science degree in Society and Technology with emphasis in Human Values from Montana Tech of the University of Montana in Butte, Montana. He has also taken all of the necessary addictions studies from the University of Great Falls to allow his State Licensure. ### was born and raised in Butte, and enjoys fixing up his old house and spending time with his family.
Government job posting for Addictions counselor:
C4L – SOCIAL WORK/COUNSELOR [/]
July 1, 2007
Graduation from an accredited college or university with a master's degree in psychology[/], social work, counseling, or related field appropriate to the assignment. Some positions may require certification as a Certified Assistant Addictions Counselor I or II.
A combination of work experience and education that provided the same kind and level of knowledge acquired in the required education may be substituted for the master’s degree[/] on a year-for-year basis.
--- Quote --- I post an article demonstrating that the school is clearly hiring people who have no business being there, and you decide to attack me instead.
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Now you try to play the victim, how typical of this site. Maybe you can blame the school or your parents for your postings. Why cant people here try to help others instead of spreading all this hated and self loathing.
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Troll Control:
--- Quote from: ""Guest"" ---
--- Quote --- News flash, buddy - their bridal announcement was on the web. So you can stop with the implication that I somehow violated their privacy by reposting it here.
--- End quote ---
You still don’t get it. They put their wedding announcement in the news paper for the purpose of sharing their happiness and their next step in life. Its not a resume. It is not intended to be reposted all over the internet and held up for ridicule for family members and friends to witness your poor judgment and bad taste.
If you hand your credit card to your waitress does that allow her to give the number and name to other people? Can she post it in the kitchen for others to see or write them down and keep a list at home? Or is there an implied trust that she will use the card for a single purpose?
When this woman posted her bridal announcement did she intend or expect to have to defend her qualifications as an addiction counselor? Do you expect that in the future people include all their work experience and justify their career position in the bridal announcement?
If you have a beef with HLA, stick with the senior staff or board members who have a say in how the ship is steered.
--- Quote ---Here's what I am trying to say – no respected business would hire a person with a bachelor's degree in Psychology to be an addictions counselor. It is simply not done. You don't generally get anywhere in the Psychology field without obtaining at least a master's degree and doing some internships. But apparently you know more about the field I work in than I do, so please, excuse me.
--- End quote ---
If you feel strongly about this then try to make some constructive criticism which will benefit the industry, the kids, educate the parents, lay the ground work for industry wide changes. This type of ridicule only belittles yourself and shows the weak position everyone has against HLA when you need to resort to trying to find fault with each employee and picking apart their career goals.
Here are some job postings from around the country:
###### was with the WATCh Program since May 2002 before coming to the CCP program. Prior to coming to the WATCh Program, ##### had over 12 years experience as an addictions and sex offender counselor in Minnesota at the Lino Lakes Prison. ##### obtained her Bachelor's degree from St. Catherine’s College and is a Licensed Addictions Counselor in Montana.
#### has worked at CCCS for since October 1997. She was previously a bookkeeper and office manager until being hired as an Resident Assistant at the Women's Transition Center. #### transferred to CCP as a Counselor Technician, and then was promoted to an Addictions Counselor position. She has an Associates degree in Addictions Counseling from the University of Great Falls, in Great Falls, MT. ### will graduate in May 2005 with a Bachelor's degree in Liberal Studies from Montana Tech of the University of Montana in Butte, MT. She plans to attend graduate school at the University of Montana, where she will work for a Master's in Social Work.
#### began his employment with the Community, Counseling, and Correctional Services, Inc. (CCCS) in June 2001. He previously worked as an officer in Adult Probation and Parole, an Addictions Counselor at the Montana Chemical Dependency Center, a Unit Manager at Pine Hills and an Adolescent Counselor at the Rivendell of Butte facility. ### holds a Bachelor of Science degree in Society and Technology with emphasis in Human Values from Montana Tech of the University of Montana in Butte, Montana. He has also taken all of the necessary addictions studies from the University of Great Falls to allow his State Licensure. ### was born and raised in Butte, and enjoys fixing up his old house and spending time with his family.
Government job posting for Addictions counselor:
C4L – SOCIAL WORK/COUNSELOR [/]
July 1, 2007
Graduation from an accredited college or university with a master's degree in psychology[/], social work, counseling, or related field appropriate to the assignment. Some positions may require certification as a Certified Assistant Addictions Counselor I or II.
A combination of work experience and education that provided the same kind and level of knowledge acquired in the required education may be substituted for the master’s degree[/] on a year-for-year basis.
--- Quote --- I post an article demonstrating that the school is clearly hiring people who have no business being there, and you decide to attack me instead.
--- End quote ---
Now you try to play the victim, how typical of this site. Maybe you can blame the school or your parents for your postings. Why cant people here try to help others instead of spreading all this hated and self loathing.
--- End quote ---
I thought The Who was banned from posting?
MODS: This is The Who posting more spam! Let's give this asshole the final heave-ho, shall we? Please DELETE The Who's recent anonymous postings and ban his new IP address.
For the record: The Who, despite your vacuous post, it ISN'T OK to hire unqualified, unlicensed staff to perform work that requires a license!
TheWho:
--- Quote ---I will say this: maybe she had some previous experience working with addicted people. If so, that's great.
--- End quote ---
Thank you. I think it is important not to pre judge people.
--- Quote --- They condone those actions by continuing to work there.
--- End quote ---
There are people who volunteer during war time to help the wounded and they are totally against the war. Doesn’t mean they should be humiliated for their choice. They feel they can help and make a difference in another person’s life, even in bad situations.
Give it some thought next time is all I ask.
::hatter::
Anonymous:
The last time I checked the clinical field does consider addiction as a disease. Of course, one has a choice to pick up the bottle or snort the cocaine or pop the pills, but, they consider it a disease because an addict is not capable or does not have the normal ability to say no. Their body thinks it cannot live without the drug/alcohol/nicotine/etc. I have never felt the urge to do something so overwhelming that I couldn't quit, but I have friends who have had to seek professional help, and I can tell you that they don't feel they had a "choice". They felt the addiction consumed them. The statement in the post several posts back about addiction not being a disease is false.
Anonymous:
--- Quote from: ""SH"" ---The last time I checked the clinical field does consider addiction as a disease. Of course, one has a choice to pick up the bottle or snort the cocaine or pop the pills, but, they consider it a disease because an addict is not capable or does not have the normal ability to say no. Their body thinks it cannot live without the drug/alcohol/nicotine/etc. I have never felt the urge to do something so overwhelming that I couldn't quit, but I have friends who have had to seek professional help, and I can tell you that they don't feel they had a "choice". They felt the addiction consumed them. The statement in the post several posts back about addiction not being a disease is false.
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No, its really not. Your friends have bought into the whole stepcraft culture that's been going on for about 70 or so years. Addiction is not a disease. Educate yourself. Stop being a sheep. That's how these places began and its how they've been allowed to continue for so fucking long.
http://www.orange-papers.org/orange-powerless.html
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