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« Reply #105 on: July 21, 2007, 12:25:44 PM »
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I did have the chance to meet with Kat today and she was not aware of NYRA close association with CAICA, which I was not aware that she was not aware of. We removed our link from CAICA maybe a year ago, and for good reason. I will grant Alex the benefit of the doubt that he doesn't completely comprehend how a program that commits less abuse, can actually be as abusive. His major was political science, not psychology after all. We have graciously accepted the opportunity to explain the phenonmena of residential treatment/gulag schools to the membership of NYRA, and I would expect after our thorough explanation of the issue that he and the rest of the membership of NYRA will choose to disassociate themselves from CAICA once they understand how CAICA enables programs that are in fact just as bad as WWASP programs.


I'm reminded of the very long and involved email exchange that swirled back and forth between Heal, Cafety, Tausa, and Alex regarding almost this same exact issue. Mr. Palicz has had plenty of time to do his research. He claims he speaks for children, yet he has an association with an odious organization like Caica?

He should have done his damn research a year ago. Still that was then and this is now. Unless Mr. Palicz, and the NYRA, is willing to immediately withdraw his support of CAICA after this educational opprotunity to occur next weekend, I feel it imperative that CAFETY withdraw itself from the alliance they have forged with the NYRA and Mr. Palicz immediately be voted off the Cafety board of directors.

Failure to do so should result in a boycott against cafety. How exactly that works on an internet forum is beyond me, but I'm sure some clever chap can figure all that out.

I'm certain though the news about this devil's alliance should and will be brought to the attention of AStart and other organizations to allow them the chance to distance themselves from both Cafety and the NYRA if they feel the need to do so.
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« Reply #106 on: July 21, 2007, 01:02:31 PM »
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Failure to do so should result in a boycott against cafety.


I totally agree.
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« Reply #107 on: July 21, 2007, 01:22:17 PM »
CAFETY is a member of the REFERRAL FREE ZONE, is it not?

If CAFETY is going to Link to NYRA and then NYRA in turn LINKS to CAICA; this is an indirect link to Sue Scheff /PURE.

Alex is the Executive Director of NYRA and he has stated his postition that referring children to programs that are "less abusive than WWASP facilities" is just fine with him, and his organization, NYRA.

Alex has stated his position that his organization will continue to link to and support Isabelle Zehnder and CAICA.

Isabelle Zehnder, CAICA links to and highly supports Sue Scheff/PURE.
Isabelle Zehnder has referred a child to Scheff/PURE for placement in a program by her own admission.
Isabelle Zehnder also wrote an email by which she referred to Scheff/PURE and to Sunrise Adolescent Transport service.
Isabelle Zehnder made Sue Scheff CAICA's "Advocate of the Month"

Cafety's continued association with NYRA which supports and links to CAICA--- is a strong, indirect association with Scheff/PURE.

How can Cafety claim to advocate against programs for children; and it's status as a REFERRAL FREE ZONE if Alex Koroknay-Palicz is allowed to continue as a Board Member, and if Cafety continues to link to NYRA under the present conditions?
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« Reply #108 on: July 21, 2007, 01:26:19 PM »
Alex has made his position and his support of Isabelle Zehnder, CAICA clear for months.  How can Katherine Whitehead claim to not be aware of Alex's strong support of Isabelle Zehnder?  Doesn't Katherine Whitehead read her own forum?
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« Reply #109 on: July 21, 2007, 01:38:58 PM »
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CAFETY is a member of the REFERRAL FREE ZONE, is it not?
Nope.
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If CAFETY is going to Link to NYRA and then NYRA in turn LINKS to CAICA; this is an indirect link to Sue Scheff /PURE.
Yup, and Alex has publicly called going after Izzy a "witchhunt".
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Alex is the Executive Director of NYRA and he has stated his postition that referring children to programs that are "less abusive than WWASP facilities" is just fine with him, and his organization, NYRA.
Yup.
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Alex has stated his position that his organization will continue to link to and support Isabelle Zehnder and CAICA.
Yup
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Isabelle Zehnder, CAICA links to and highly supports Sue Scheff/PURE.
No!??! Really?!?!?
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Isabelle Zehnder has referred a child to Scheff/PURE for placement in a program by her own admission.
*whistles*
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Isabelle Zehnder also wrote an email by which she referred to Scheff/PURE and to Sunrise Adolescent Transport service.
She claime she had no clue about Sunrise being WWASP associated.
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Isabelle Zehnder made Sue Scheff CAICA's "Advocate of the Month"
Yup
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Cafety's continued association with NYRA which supports and links to CAICA--- is a strong, indirect association with Scheff/PURE.
Perty much
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How can Cafety claim to advocate against programs for children; and it's status as a REFERRAL FREE ZONE if Alex Koroknay-Palicz is allowed to continue as a Board Member, and if Cafety continues to link to NYRA under the present conditions?

Cafety is not part of the referral free zone.  Kat should clean house if she's serious about shutting this industry down.
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« Reply #110 on: July 21, 2007, 04:03:23 PM »
I said something to this effect a couple of weeks ago, and someone beat me over the head.  See!  The truth comes out.  You just have to keep digging.
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« Reply #111 on: July 21, 2007, 04:26:27 PM »
Psy, 2 Questions:

CAFETY is not a member of the REFERRAL FREE ZONE?

Since when does CAICA not link to Sue Scheff / PURE?
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« Reply #112 on: July 21, 2007, 04:54:18 PM »
Of Course Izzy is still linking to Sue Scheff/Pure.

www.caica.org

Parent's Corner:  "Depression and Your Teen" www.helpyourteen.com

"Helpful Hints When Searching for TBS or RTC for Your Child"
http://helpyourteens.com/helpful.hints.html/

Links and Helpful Books

Parents Universal Resources (PURE)
Click here, and go directly to the PURE website.

Wits End by Sue Scheff

Mommy Mentors website; read messages to Sue Scheff by Izzy

That's about all the links to Sue Scheff/PURE I cared to read in one short setting.  But, yea---Izzy is still linked to Scheff/PURE.
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« Reply #113 on: July 21, 2007, 05:03:27 PM »
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Psy, 2 Questions:

CAFETY is not a member of the REFERRAL FREE ZONE?

Since when does CAICA not link to Sue Scheff / PURE?


Question 1: no.  go to http://www.referralfreezone.info and see for yourself.
Question 2: Today, apparantly.  You'd have to talk to Isabelle about her reasons why.
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« Reply #114 on: July 21, 2007, 05:11:56 PM »
So even the Izzy Whitmore blog is gone?

LOLS - that's really rich!  Wonder what happened?

 :rofl:  :rofl:  :rofl:
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« Reply #115 on: July 21, 2007, 05:15:33 PM »
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LOLS - that's really rich!  Wonder what happened?

Tis a complete mystery to me.
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« Reply #116 on: July 21, 2007, 05:21:26 PM »
Balonley

PURE still links to CAICA

And CAICA (Positive Family Solutions) still links to PURE

http://www.positivefamilysolutions.com/ ... links.html
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« Reply #117 on: July 21, 2007, 05:30:09 PM »
Hmmmm
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« Reply #118 on: July 21, 2007, 05:37:00 PM »
Yup - looks to me like Izzy has selectively deleted PURE from CAICA and blogs - but NOT her for-profit company, Positive Family Solutions.

Could it be this is just a shameless attempt to get off the D-List of Advocacy-Referral websites?

Who knows?  The CAICA website reeks of self-promotion, not unlike her pal Sue Scheff.

Of course, this could be a pre-emptive strike given what may be coming down the road. (See Deb's post on PURE/CAICA bullshit thread)

 :roll:
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« Reply #119 on: July 21, 2007, 05:41:33 PM »
double post
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