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Anonymous:
I have not been at a wilderness program but I have interviewed a lot and seen a lot of the manuals in various programs.

The main problem is the legacy from Cartisano - the founder of the modern wilderness therapy concept.

Once they removed the voluntary aspect and introduced boot camp methods two things happened:

1) Kids started to die
2) A lot of those who entered the programs had to deal with them for decades. Look at a site like 63 days for more info. You can also look around in our Wiki-database and investigate the links. We have a datasheet about Aspiro. They have some management problems but no kids have so far died in their program (kind of rare) or at least that is what is public knowledge because 90-95 of such "incidents" are settled out of court.

Anonymous:
You have no idea if anyone has died at Aspiro, or been injured or maimed, or emotionally abused. Programs are somehow becoming more able to keep such negative info out of the media.
Is the Fornits Wiki now into making referrals to "safer programs"? Just curious?
CAFETY was skewerd for less.

Anonymous:

--- Quote from: "Guest" ---You have no idea if anyone has died at Aspiro, or been injured or maimed, or emotionally abused. Programs are somehow becoming more able to keep such negative info out of the media.
Is the Fornits Wiki now into making referrals to "safer programs"? Just curious?
CAFETY was skewerd for less.
--- End quote ---
If some have died at Aspiro and someone is able to find just one link to an article, a death announcement or obituary, you can bet that we will print it at once.

We are not making referrals to any programs. What some claims is good for them, can be very bad for others. But we can only print what is going on.

If someone has been at Aspiro or someone would send their workbooks to one of our volunteers, we will print all what is to know about how they work to achieve behavior modification.

The purpose of Fornits Wiki is:

* to maintain a list of all active and closed programs with details of how they work
* to keep address records of places where kids are kept, so friends and extended family can seek them
* to list when kids are hurt or killed in programs
* to have lists of survivor groups so survivors can find others to talk with. None back at home can understand them.
* to have links to message boards where survivors state their experiences and the programs are discussed.

Anonymous:

--- Quote from: "Wiki Researcher" ---The main problem is the legacy from Cartisano - the founder of the modern wilderness therapy concept.

They have some management problems but no kids have so far died in their program (kind of rare) or at least that is what is public knowledge because 90-95 of such "incidents" are settled out of court.
--- End quote ---

That sounds like an endorsement to me.

And BTW, Cartisano is NOT the "founder of the modern wilderness therapy concept".
WikiResearcher needs to do some more research.

Anonymous:
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--- Quote from: "Guest" ---
--- Quote from: "Wiki Researcher" ---The main problem is the legacy from Cartisano - the founder of the modern wilderness therapy concept.

They have some management problems but no kids have so far died in their program (kind of rare) or at least that is what is public knowledge because 90-95 of such "incidents" are settled out of court.
--- End quote ---

That sounds like an endorsement to me.

And BTW, Cartisano is NOT the "founder of the modern wilderness therapy concept".
WikiResearcher needs to do some more research.
--- End quote ---

I am saying that there is no deaths in that program WE KNOW OFF. Is that endorsing? Is a program successful if they can avoid deaths?

As for Cartisano, do you know any wilderness program before he entered the market, which wasn't just outbound. Olsen's early wilderness programs did cost a few hundred bucks because they were voluntary and had no boot camp compoment in them. What you see today is his concept and even if it is not 100% the truth it will be once it is stated in +100 sites. Manipulation? Is that not what the entire industry is about?

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