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« Reply #90 on: July 19, 2007, 09:26:35 AM »
No, I have not refused to listen. I have heard you loud and clear. I am refusing to obey your commands. You want total body and mind control, total authoritarian control, you are yelling and bullying me and saying if I don't listen to YOUR absolute black and white truth then I am a lousy,lazy mother who should have abandoned my child and should get the fuck off this board.
Have I heard you correctly?

How are you any different from your former tormentors? Sometimes people turn into what they hate the most. I hope this is not happening to you. It would be a shame because you have some truths to share and could make a difference but you are so consumed by your own fanaticism that you probably will contribute little or no good change in this area.

I believe it is you who has not been hearing me. I did not ask for advice about what I should do, I asked for INFORMATION regarding the existence of any meaning  therapeutic programs. I got it, in FORNITS opinion there are none. We will go hiking and canoeing ourselves, we are doing the therapy thing outside of summit.... but get off your godlike thrones and stop freaken yelling at me and others like me because we am not obeying your commands. We are going to make our own decisions for what we think is the best for our families.
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« Reply #91 on: July 19, 2007, 09:34:55 AM »
Quote from: ""Act UP""
No, I have not refused to listen. I have heard you loud and clear. I am refusing to obey your commands. You want total body and mind control, total authoritarian control, you are yelling and bullying me and saying if I don't listen to YOUR absolute black and white truth then I am a lousy,lazy mother who should have abandoned my child and should get the fuck off this board.
Have I heard you correctly?

Some people, yes.

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How are you any different from your former tormentors? Sometimes people turn into what they hate the most. I hope this is not happening to you. It would be a shame because you have some truths to share and could make a difference but you are so consumed by your own fanaticism that you probably will contribute little or no good change in this area.

I believe it is you who has not been hearing me. I did not ask for advice about what I should do, I asked for INFORMATION regarding the existence of any meaning  therapeutic programs. I got it, in FORNITS opinion there are none. We will go hiking and canoeing ourselves, we are doing the therapy thing outside of summit.... but get off your godlike thrones and stop freaken yelling at me and others like me because we am not obeying your commands. We are going to make our own decisions for what we think is the best for our families.


Well.  Fair enough.  I don't agree with the commands to take your kid home, but I do agree with the suggestion.  Whether or not you do it is totally up to you.

People: This parent is listening and has listened.  "listen" does not mean "obey".  She has a point about authoritarianism and group think BTW.  It's nowhere near the same as program (she can turn away)... but as I'm sure you know, usually, the more you push, the more you get resistance.  So just present information and have faith that a good person will make the right decision.  What good will it do to alienate this parent?  I am sort of frustrated TSW removed this from the Facilities Questions forum, but Technically, she didn't mention a facility until late in the thread, and I can see his reasoning.
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« Reply #92 on: July 19, 2007, 09:42:43 AM »
Well I'm not in a program anymore therefor I don't have to deal with the circular logic of one all damn day in my own forum.
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« Reply #93 on: July 19, 2007, 09:46:00 AM »
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I believe it is you who has not been hearing me. I did not ask for advice about what I should do, I asked for INFORMATION regarding the existence of any meaning therapeutic programs. I got it, in FORNITS opinion there are none. We will go hiking and canoeing ourselves, we are doing the therapy thing outside of summit.... but get off your godlike thrones and stop freaken yelling at me and others like me because we am not obeying your commands. We are going to make our own decisions for what we think is the best for our families.


You decision for what is best for your own family has been refuted numerous times on this thread and have you yet removed your child from that place?

You got information, just not the sort you wanted. Get over yourself this is life and rarely ever does it go the way we want it to.
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« Reply #94 on: July 19, 2007, 10:15:12 AM »
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You decision for what is best for your own family has been refuted numerous times on this thread and have you yet removed your child from that place?


WHAT! Because you and others who have the same single minded approach tell me what I should do means you're right and I am wrong and therefore I must obey inorder to remain? Sounds like Nazi program mentality to me. WAKE UP you are really in a stupor!

Yes I did get some info related to my question, not what I hoped to hear but what I believed would be the answer. I accept it. There are no good therapeutic wilderness or boarding type schools - they do not exist- it would be an oxymoron. I GOT IT.

The fact I did not ask about Summit or what I should meant nothing to you only that I am not obeying your pack mentality.

I thought since this was no longer in facilities and in TTI section - we were not on your forum any longer.
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« Reply #95 on: July 19, 2007, 10:30:42 AM »
Ironic when program parents talk about repression, forced ideologies in an open and free discussion. All they have to do is not type in fornits.com in the URL window to save themselves from this horror. Their kids, well, they wish they could be so lucky. Anyone who types out in any way fornits is somehow repressive, group think or program like has no idea what they are talking about and should consider themselves lucky.
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« Reply #96 on: July 19, 2007, 10:43:44 AM »
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You decision for what is best for your own family has been refuted numerous times on this thread and have you yet removed your child from that place?

WHAT! Because you and others who have the same single minded approach tell me what I should do means you're right and I am wrong and therefore I must obey inorder to remain? Sounds like Nazi program mentality to me. WAKE UP you are really in a stupor!

Yes I did get some info related to my question, not what I hoped to hear but what I believed would be the answer. I accept it. There are no good therapeutic wilderness or boarding type schools - they do not exist- it would be an oxymoron. I GOT IT.

The fact I did not ask about Summit or what I should meant nothing to you only that I am not obeying your pack mentality.

I thought since this was no longer in facilities and in TTI section - we were not on your forum any longer.


So while you rant and rave on the internet your kid is in a program.

I see how it is.
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« Reply #97 on: July 19, 2007, 10:45:32 AM »
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I thought since this was no longer in facilities and in TTI section - we were not on your forum any longer.


That is correct.
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« Reply #98 on: July 19, 2007, 10:47:10 AM »
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Ironic when program parents talk about repression, forced ideologies in an open and free discussion. All they have to do is not type in fornits.com in the URL window to save themselves from this horror. Their kids, well, they wish they could be so lucky. Anyone who types out in any way fornits is somehow repressive, group think or program like has no idea what they are talking about and should consider themselves lucky.


very true.  But please.  This thread is heading to hell fast.  Come on ppl... can't we just all get along?!?!

*face palm*

Edit: headed to the dentists.  I'm crossing my fingers that somehow this will calm down a bit.
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« Reply #99 on: July 19, 2007, 10:47:45 AM »
Act UP seems like a saucy bitch. I'd like to meet her!
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« Reply #100 on: July 19, 2007, 10:50:47 AM »
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in my own forum.



Excuse me?
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« Reply #101 on: July 19, 2007, 10:57:01 AM »
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Quote from: ""TS Waygookin""
in my own forum.


Excuse me?

He moderates it...just what are you trying to ask him, guest?
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« Reply #102 on: July 19, 2007, 11:02:22 AM »
Lady, if you consider advice from fornits posters "pack mentality," then you are quite welcome to do exactly what you are doing:
Keep your son in a program, where he is receiving no therapy or genuine help.
BUT, in the meantime, you are not welcome to insult people. So STFU, and stop wasting people's time!
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« Reply #103 on: July 19, 2007, 11:22:20 AM »
Quote from: ""Froderik""
Quote from: ""Guest""
Quote from: ""TS Waygookin""
in my own forum.


Excuse me?
He moderates it...just what are you trying to ask him, guest?



I wasn't asking anything Frod[/i].  I was surprised to see him refer to this as his forum.  From what I can read below, nobody moderates this.







Compliance is not character. Weakness is not strength. Regression is not growth. "Tough love" leads to tough hate. Time for some straight talk about the Troubled Parent Industry.

This is an uncensored, unmoderated forum where all viewpoints are both welcome and fair game for debate. It's a snap-shot of the Teen Help industry, and there's nothing inspiring or heart-warming about it. It's pretty damned ugly. Enter at your own risk.
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« Reply #104 on: July 19, 2007, 11:38:44 AM »
Quote from: ""Guest""
Quote from: ""Froderik""
Quote from: ""Guest""
Quote from: ""TS Waygookin""
in my own forum.


Excuse me?
He moderates it...just what are you trying to ask him, guest?


I wasn't asking anything Frod[/i].  I was surprised to see him refer to this as his forum.  From what I can read below, nobody moderates this.

Oh, I thought he was referring to the one he actually runs...
in that case, sorry, my bad.....
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