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Lee Ann:
Hi all,
I have been out of town. Hope everyone had a great Memorial weekend. Non- Answers???
I am not ashamed of any of the programs I have worked at. Skyline Journey, Kolob Canyon, Red Fern Ranch, Sorenson's Ranch and Aspen.
As I believe I said earlier, they have all helped me better understand what a program should and should not be. I know I do a wonderful service for parents who are looking for a program. For instance, just this past week I saved a kid from going to a program that I personally wouldn't send my dog too. This is what I am trying to do. Help parents make informed decisions! I keep getting attacked and all I am trying to do is keep parents from sending their child to a horrible place. About 80% of the parents I talk to have already made up their minds about sending their teen away.
I only refer to Utah programs. And again I am selective to which programs I refer to. I will NOT send a teen to ANY WWASP programs.
I believe TARRS is the only referral service including Ed. Cons, that have actually worked directly with kids at any program. (If anyone knows different, I would love to know).
There are some states that legal age is as low as 14! That is unbelievable to me. As far as I am concerned at 14 these kids are still babies. Since 18 is the age of majority in Utah, parents can still have a say in what happens to their teen. It has nothing to do with $$ for these programs. I worked with a boy whose parents were so desperate that 3 hours before his 18th birthday, they had him escorted to Samoa where the legal age is 21. Very extreme!!!
I agree, if people, mostly parents, were more invovled with what their kids were doing, there wouldn't be as great a need for "programs". With a combinded family of 10 kids,( we had custody of all 10) trust me, I know how hard it is to be there for every kid ALL the time. But it can be done. When it comes right down to it, all our kids really want is our time.
Lee Ann :smile:
Antigen:
There's something you ought to know about the history of these treatment cults. Every single one that we know of has started out with the aim of providing a kinder, gentler program than the one before. It works a whole lot like the way a church congregation will sometimes split off over some theological or other difference.
In the end, though, there simply is no humane way to change anyone's behavior against their will. The only way to do it is to break their will. Psychic murder, is the way one investigator described the process.
No matter how badly you want to believe you're doing something good, what you're really doing is helping parents to hire people to do things to their children that would land them in prison if they got caught doing it at home.
I view the TOUGHLOVE movement as being very similar to the quacks who convince people that their parents made them bear children for satanic sacrifice and it just slipped their minds until about the 30th hour of 'therapy'. There's nothing wrong with most of these kids. Even those that do have serious problems usually work them out in the normal course of growing up. If you care at all about the kids and parents, quit feeding the parents' sick and sadistic fantasies.
And I should tell you one other thing. Of all the survivors of all these programs, the ones who went on to staff usually have the most severe problems when they come out the other end. Getting beat up is no fun at all. But having the sanctity of your own mind and personality violated to the point where you'll do it to others is a lot harder to live with in the long run.
Good luck with that. I think it's going to be a rough ride for you.
The very atmosphere of firearms anywhere and everywhere restrains evil interference - they deserve a place of honor with all that's good.
Anonymity Anonymous
Deborah:
I'm putting this here so it's in a ST thread.
I was having a passionate debate with a mother who had incarcerated her daughter. And of course, the usual responders chimed in.
I went back today. There was a message from the mom, "I started this thread and am going to ask the moderator to end it. Enough is enough!"
I tried to login and reply, mostly to address her arrogance, but several times I got the error message that the password I provided was wrong.
Anyone else ever have this problem?
I imagine it could be a technical error, but it's never happened before. Will try again later.
Deborah
Antigen:
Deborah, are you still having this trouble? Could you give me a little more info so I can look into it? I certainly haven't blocked you.
An Animated Cartoon Theology:
1. People are animals.
2. The body is mortal and subject to incredible pain.
3. Life is antagonistic to the living.
4. The flesh can be sawed, crushed, frozen, stretched, burned, bombed, and plucked for music.
5. The dumb are abused by the smart and the smart destroyed by their own cunning.
6. The small are tortured by the large and the large destroyed by their own momentum.
7. We are able to walk on air, but only as long as our illusion supports us.
-- E. L. Doctorow "The Book of Daniel"
--- End quote ---
Anonymous:
there is a new story in the tico times of June 13 titled (something like) "plenty of finger pointing in dundee ranch closure" apparently its in the print version, because i couldn't access it online.
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