Treatment Abuse, Behavior Modification, Thought Reform > The Ridge Creek School / Hidden Lake Academy
Parents don't want to listen
Deborah:
--- Quote from: ""Guest"" ---You, my man, are dreaming. The success rate for most of these schools is thru the roof. Granted there are kids who do not benefit and others who get worse by them (That is what keeps fornits going).
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WHO are you?
What keeps Fornits "going" is reporting what goes on behind closed doors. What's being done to kids in the name of 'therapy'.
40% retention rate
150+ death
Untold (and unreported) number of injuries, preventable accidents, assaults, inappropriate sexual contacts, heinous abuses
Medical neglect
Food/ Contact with parents used as punishment
Fraudulent and deceptive advertising
Held incommunicado like prisoners of war
--- Quote ---But the psychological industry (as a whole) and the professionals who represent them are the ones who will be reporting the findings
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Indeed they will.
http://cafety.org/index.php?option=com_ ... &Itemid=35
http://apinto.blog.usf.edu/category/spe ... -programs/
http://cfs.fmhi.usf.edu/projects/AStart ... sbrief.pdf
http://www.nih.gov/news/pr/oct2004/od-15.htm
http://www.nimh.nih.gov/publicat/teens.cfm
http://www.nida.nih.gov/NIDA_notes/NNVo ... uping.html
http://tinyurl.com/22xfcr
http://www.teenliberty.org/ACAPN.htm
http://wwf.fornits.com/viewtopic.php?p= ... ion#164570
http://wwf.fornits.com/viewtopic.php?p=53849#53849
If you're peddling Behren's 'study' of a handful of Aspen programs, compiling the results of a questionaire provided to select clients, that's not scientific or proof of efficacy. Why do they refuse to allow independent, third parties in to do authentic research and evaluation?
--- Quote ---and, to date, it has been extremely encouraging and in fact a few of the models are being used in the public sector in many parts of the country.
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Which models? Where are they being used?
http://www.wpic.pitt.edu/aacp/Vol-15-3/Youth.html
What have we learned from nearly twenty years of practicing values and principles articulated for the Children and Adolescent Service System Program (CASSP) and the System of Care (SOC) reform movement it spawned? The core values of the SOC reforms were the following: services should be 1) family centered, 2) child and adolescent focused 3) community based and well coordinated and 4) culturally competent. Sending youth across the country to a residential program, or limiting parental access to their children in a local program, is the antithesis of a family centered practice. Parents must be included in the assessment of each child, involved in regular contact with their child and central to planning the child’s reentry into their life outside the institution. Programs that offer rigid programming, or frankly misuse behavioral paradigms, are not providing individualized and tailored care as is becoming a standard "best practice" for ever more child care communities around the country.
Anonymous:
Len has always been deathly afraid of longitudinal studies of HLA graduates, and with good reason. Even in the good ole days, the completion rate was consistently below 50%. By this time last year, it had dropped into the 30% range, and now God only knows. Follow-up studies of HLA graduates were suggested and even urged on him by some of staff who had a modicum of ethics, but it always fell on deaf ears and now there are no staff with ethics remaining. The parent reference list was constantly being revised because their kids were constantly relapsing into the same behavior patterns, or worse. I am convinced that those kids who were pulled early-on did, on the whole, far, far better than those who actually graduated.
Anonymous:
I Love you deborah, you have a talent of understanding exactly what i'm trying to say and clarifying it so that all the square adults can understand.
i would like to mention:
what happened to all of those statistics HLA once had published on their website? i wish someone saved them so they could be introduced into the case as eveidence.
i also think it's funny how the whole website has been revamped since the lawsuit. That and although the many of the legal documents are available, parents cant get the parent's handbook untill they enroll their kids. i think thats interesting considering most school let you view the student and parent handbooks before you make your decisions, they expect you to base a large part of your decision on the handbooks; they provide an exellent window into how everything operates within a school.
i think it will be a good idea to construct a small database of documents by HLA on fornits. e.g any correspondence, handbooks, bills, etc. (of course with names blacked out).
Anonymous:
--- Quote from: ""Guest"" ---
You, my man, are dreaming. The success rate for most of these schools is thru the roof.
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Really? Well then, I'm sure you have the stats and long term, independent studies to back that up, right? (Not just your "survey" results, cherry-picking who participates)
--- Quote ---Granted there are kids who do not benefit and others who get worse by them (That is what keeps fornits going).
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Naw, exposing programs for the mindrape mills they are is what keeps Fornits going.
--- Quote ---But the psychological industry (as a whole) and the professionals who represent them are the ones who will be reporting the findings and, to date, it has been extremely encouraging and in fact a few of the models are being used in the public sector in many parts of the country.
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I've heard rumblings that Hyde was trying to insinuate themselves into the public school system. That is another thing that "keeps us going". Keeping this shit out of the public system. The Hyde grads and former parents are pissed and coming out, just like HLA people were pissed and filed a lawsuit.
Why would you ever farm out the responsibility of teaching moral values to your child? Schools are for educating our kids. Parents are who should be teaching morals.
--- Quote ---Sure there are the parents who never disciplined their kids and now they are out of control and are wondering if sending them to a program is a good idea or not and whether or not Sally will resent them because she is forced to make her own bed in the morning and attend class every day.
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Sally will resent them for the late night, forced confessions sessions. She'll resent them for having food withheld as punishment for some small infraction. She'll resent them for abandoning her to a bunch of unqualified strangers to live with for a good part of her all-too-short youth. She'll resent the labels and dxs slapped on her, or worse fall into and actually believe those things about herself.
--- Quote --- But the democrats arent going to give a rats ass about these private institutions until they can straighten out the public school system first. The parents of the public school system are the ones who will be getting their vote.
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The Dems have been lulled into believing that these "alternative" "schools" are safe and effective alternatives to JDC because they're too fucking lazy to really look into it.
Anonymous:
I can tell you something hilarious about HLA. That is that the HLA staffers titles and job responsibilities change all the time. For example Kees de Vente is listed as the spiritual coordinator and now is also the Assistant Director of Academics. Also, another funny is that Christy Jones used to be listed as a co-Director of Counseling, and now they have her listed as as Director of Admissions. The staff that are left there never know what job title they will have from week to week. I cannot imagine working at a place where I might have a different job title from week to week. :lol: :roll:
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