Treatment Abuse, Behavior Modification, Thought Reform > The Ridge Creek School / Hidden Lake Academy
Parents don't want to listen
Anonymous:
Give me a break. Nothing in what was listed suggests false advertising. Why is it that none of the individuals on this site can take responsibility. You obviously could afford to send your child to a private therapeutic boarding school for $6000.00 per month. I can only assume that you managed to earn the level of income this would require by being financially sound and educated.
Many people here like to use the analogy of the automobile. Most of you would not spend the money on an automobile with out researching prices and deals, maybe checking consumer reports, talking to a dealer, test driving the car, comparing options. However, you want everyone to believe that you got completely taken by an organization that you entrusted your child to.
Now, either 1)HLA has some of the most expert, top-notch confidence people working for them that are capable of talking even the most financial sauve individuals out of enormous amounts of money (why these grifters are working for HLA and not independently we can discuss later) or 2) you made an impulse decision with what should be the most valueable thing in your life and regret it.
Those families who do an exhaustive search of programs and choose HLA are much more likely to have children who successfully graduate the program and are completely happy with the program and it's results.
It's time to take some responsiblity.
Anonymous:
--- Quote from: ""Johnny Ringo"" ---
Now, either 1)HLA has some of the most expert, top-notch confidence people working for them that are capable of talking even the most financial sauve individuals out of enormous amounts of money (why these grifters are working for HLA and not independently we can discuss later) or 2) you made an impulse decision with what should be the most valueable thing in your life and regret it.
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both, fool. point #1 is accomplished right before the ed consultant and parent tours come through (dogwood etc.), by using the kids to really clean the living crap out of the campus, renting golf carts, putting problem makers on restrictions regardless of their guilt and isolating the restrictions across the lake or in the chalet. this gives everyone a very very good impression. also, the going-ons in HLA are kept under wraps. almost no one but the staff and students know what really goes on, and how the school works becouse it's such a "hidden" school. therefore the only thing about the school that any outside source can evaluate is the superficial, surface aspects of the school. and those parts ARE nice...that campus does kinda kick ass. not the buildings or the plumbing or the sewage tho. that place would be the ultimate pot farm...all those dorm rooms, what possibilities!
#1 is also accomplished by paying the travel expenses for family vacations and such for a select group of highly reputable consultants (leslie goldberg). giving them no choice but to refer kids.
#2, well, the entire industry is based on feeding of off parents weaknesses. when a kid is acting out, parents ALWAYS panic. how do you think a parent would feel if a kid just dropped the bomb, told his parents that, say, he's spent $20,000 on coke in the last few months? instantanious panic, sleepless nights, and constant worry "my kid can O.D any minuite". whats funny is that the admissions people play on that, (along with sites like strugglingteens). whatever the parents fear may be, they reinforce it. this is an average conversation between admissions and parents. my mom said hers went something like this
mom:"hey, i'm looking to placing my kid in a program like yours. he's been skipping school, smoking pot (even in the morning), stealing, sneaking out at night, and he just wont listen. whenever i try to talk to him he gets angry, and whenever i punish him he punishes me. would you recomend your program to my son?"
admissions:"at Hidden lake we provide support for troubled teens who struggle at school and in their family lives. your child sounds like he is really struggling. you should definitely seek placement for him, he is participating in some risky activities. if he keeps smoking and skipping school, he'll invariably end up dropping out of high school, and you wont ever have a decent relationship with him. you should most definitely also look into other programs, as every program is a little different. i can give you some names of educational consultants if you wish to talk to someone impartial who specializes in cases like yours.........."
most parents who send their kids to HLA make the decision over the course of maybe a week or two, if that. this is kinda obvious, considering untill recently kids would arive at a consistant rate thoughout the year, from 8-15 kids a month. kids would come in randomly. %90 of hla's bussiness comes from impulse decisions.
why the hell do you think the contract was what it was??? (till the judge said the contract itself broke the laww.....)
Anonymous:
Watching the employee and the parents fight is rather like watching Sunni and Shia terrorists kill each other. Whoever loses, we win (because HLA is financially hosed anyway, the lawsuit just determines how much loot Len gets away with, unless he's too stupid to take the money and run).
For the confused, I'll summarize his twofold argument.
1. Your kids are much more resistant/hateful/vicious than you ever dreamed, so of course it didn't work.
2. You were an underinformed moron for picking HLA, so blame yourselves for your dumb decision.
Which is what we've been saying on Fornits all along, really. I just never thought I'd see the day that a programmie would come along and start using hacked-up versions of them. I don't know whether this is desperation, back-asswards enlightenment, or both.
--- Quote ---It's time to take some responsiblity.
--- End quote ---
The complete irony aside, YES! We are responsible for smashing the hell out of HLA. And we will continue to be responsible for smashing the hell out of similar hellholes. Even if we have to use eminently retarded parents to do it. :)
Beat as much retarded-parent ass as you can, Johnny- we're with you all the way.
Anonymous:
--- Quote from: ""Johnny Ringo"" ---I don't believe HLA is attempting to use these written promises as some form of legal contract. That would be you. If you are going to assume that what is stated on a web site is a legal written contract then HLA has the write to argue those statements in a legal manner. If you were told, promised, avowed, etc. any thing else you should have gotten it in in writing. That's good business.
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Johhny Ringo - You are woefully ignorant of consumer law and contractual law. It would behoove you to brush up on the knowledge of consumer's rights with regard to advertising and the "assumptions" that are derived from such advertising.
It's a good thing HLA has you on their side and you're willing to go down with the sinking ship.
Anonymous:
--- Quote ---#1 is accomplished right before the ed consultant and parent tours come through (dogwood etc.), by using the kids to really clean the living crap out of the campus, renting golf carts, putting problem makers on restrictions regardless of their guilt and isolating the restrictions across the lake or in the chalet. this gives everyone a very very good impression. also, the going-ons in HLA are kept under wraps. almost no one but the staff and students know what really goes on, and how the school works becouse it's such a "hidden" school. therefore the only thing about the school that any outside source can evaluate is the superficial, surface aspects of the school. and those parts ARE nice...that campus does kinda kick ass. not the buildings or the plumbing or the sewage tho. that place would be the ultimate pot farm...all those dorm rooms, what possibilities!
--- End quote ---
So, let's abreviate, some parents are incredibly gulible and this would make them spiteful and vindictive and......
#2, well, the entire industry is based on feeding of off parents weaknesses. when a kid is acting out, parents ALWAYS panic. how do you think a parent would feel if a kid just dropped the bomb, told his parents that, say, he's spent $20,000 on coke in the last few months? instantanious panic, sleepless nights, and constant worry "my kid can O.D any minuite". whats funny is that the admissions people play on that, (along with sites like strugglingteens). whatever the parents fear may be, they reinforce it. this is an average conversation between admissions and parents. my mom said hers went something like this
...many of their children are so incredibly bad they need to be housed immediately.
How is this HLA's fault?
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