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« Reply #60 on: July 26, 2007, 01:18:47 PM »
Why did thanks:-) delete all of her posts?
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« Reply #61 on: July 26, 2007, 04:30:46 PM »
Quote from: ""Guest""
Not a troll, this guy is for real

Here's the link

http://www.gotothebible.com/HTML/correc ... ldren.html

The sermon was posted on Rick Ross cult education forum

http://forum.rickross.com/viewtopic.php ... 3a4d9dbac5,

or you can buy the sermon online

Here is the URL to Hephzibah House:
http://www.hephzibahhouse.org/

(If you click on Audio-Visual store link on this site you can buy more of his tracts on VHS format for $10 a pop, to watch on your TV (despite the fact that Williams himself condemns TV ownership as a grave sin)


The first link It's been removed....
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« Reply #62 on: July 26, 2007, 04:36:47 PM »
Yeah, and removed but GOOD.  This is bizarre - why bring it here, then flit away after deleting the posts?  Whatever, it's some nasty business.
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« Reply #63 on: July 26, 2007, 04:38:06 PM »
Yes, he took it down - but Rick Ross' forum has it up in its entirety:

RickRoss Forum topic/ Hephzibah House


http://http://forum.rickross.com/viewtopic.php?p=19825&sid=22c6f81f41cf1a548596cf3a4d9dbac5
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« Reply #64 on: July 26, 2007, 04:49:42 PM »
I don't think I've ever seen something so disturbing.   Those people are goners, over the moon, off the charts nutters.  At least they're crazy enough that it's obvious they're crazy.  Most of these places fly under the radar and go to great lengths to appear normal or discount any stories of abuse.  These fuckers state right out that they're going to beat your kid into submission.  :flame:

 "When should a parent start using the rod of correction on a child that the Lord has brought into the family? There is no clear and specific answer to this very good question. However, it is my opinion that the correction of children should start as soon as the need for that correction is made manifest. Every discerning parent who has been blessed with a little child in his home realizes that his initial impression of the sweetness and the innocence of the child is in reality an illusion. A child very quickly demonstrates his fallen, depraved nature and reveals himself to be a selfish little beast in manifold ways. As soon as the child begins to express his own self-will (and this occurs early in life) that child needs to receive correction. My wife and I have a general goal of making sure that each of our children has his will broken by the time he reaches the age of one year. ***** To do this, a child must receive correction when he is a small infant.*****Every parent recognizes that this self-will begins early as he has witnessed his child stiffen his back and boldly demonstrate his rebellion and self-will even though he has been fed, diapered, and cared for in every other physical way."
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« Reply #65 on: July 26, 2007, 08:43:14 PM »
More in your face than Magnolia for sure.
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« Reply #66 on: July 27, 2007, 08:15:30 PM »
At first i thought this was a humourous parody like that of landover baptist. These people dont sound as much like a religion as a cult to me.
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« Reply #67 on: August 07, 2007, 03:31:28 PM »
My niece has just been sent to this school by my insane sister-in-law (I agree, it is a cult.) I can't even send her letters- any that are "controversal" are thrown are (they're all pre-read.)

I've been trying to find out more about this school. The more I do, the worse it looks.
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« Reply #68 on: August 07, 2007, 04:39:58 PM »
...another one...

The question is "How much hardball do you want to play"?

Step 1 is bringing your sister-in-law HERE, to Fornits, and letting her know what real people think of this hellhole.

Step 2 is calling up that hellhole and saying "Hi, I hear you child torturing fucks have my niece? You might want to get her out of there, now."

Step 3 is giving your sister-in-law's contact information to Buzzkill and Psy.

Step 4 is.. nah, I'll let you figure out what Step 4 is.

If there's a Step 5, you didn't do Step 4 properly.
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« Reply #69 on: August 07, 2007, 04:48:38 PM »
http://www.hephzibahhouse.org/

The child beating sermon:
http://www.gotothebible.com/HTML/correc ... ldren.html
It has been removed; but if you go to: http://www.archive.org/web/web.php
and paste: http://www.gotothebible.com/HTML/correc ... ldren.html into the search bar; it will bring up the original web page with the full text of this sermon. Or, if you want, I can send it to you in an email attachment.

The sermon was also posted in full, on the Rick Ross cult education forum:

http://forum.rickross.com/viewtopic.php ... 3a4d9dbac5


[a Quote]

 In my position as the director of a rehabilitation ministry for
troubled teenage girls, I receive phone calls daily from desperate
parents all across the United States. They have children for whom
all hope seems to be gone because they did not start the use of the
rod of correction while there was hope as the Scriptures mandated. I
do not mean to discourage parents with older teenagers, who have
suddenly been exposed to God's inspired instructions in this matter.
As long as you have a child under your authority and your home where
you can directly supervise and correct him, there still is hope that
you may turn that child from his wicked ways and break his will. You
may still teach him to submit to authority in his life.

A good illustration of this hope is found in the case of a mother
who called me from a distant state about her troubled teenage
daughter. This teenager had gotten into such continual mischief and
wickedness that the desperate mother went to the local hardware
store and purchased a lock and chain with which to lock the girl to
her body. This unorthodox measure kept the girl in her home at night
but fell far short of Scriptural methodology in changing the heart!
I explained to the mother that we did not have room to receive the
girl at the time because our beds were filled. However, I mentioned
that I could give her a possible answer for her predicament. I also
said, "But I doubt that you will follow through." The mother,
hearing that there might be a solution to her crisis, desperately
implored, "Yes, I will take your counsel. What is your solution?" I
then proceeded to explain that the mother should get a stick that
would not break and get after that daughter until the daughter asked
for peace in their relationship. The mother hesitated in silence for
a time on that long distance telephone call, and then seemingly made
a firm commitment before me and the Lord that she would do so. She
answered, "Alright, I will!" I then forgot about the mother and her
call inasmuch as we receive several calls like this daily.

Three weeks later, I received a phone call from this same mother. I
had forgotten who she was and was reminded of her identity only when
she reminded me of the lock and chain she had purchased to secure
her daughter. I remembered who she was at that point since that was
a unique method of restraining the girl. I asked, "Well, what has
happened since our last conversation?" The mother replied that she
had taken my advice to secure a large stick that would not break,
and to quote the mother, "I wore off her behind!" I chuckled at the
mother's response and thoroughly enjoyed the rest of the story. She
went on to explain that she was simply amazed and dumbfounded at her
daughter's change of heart following the severe thrashing that the
mother gave her. It seems that the daughter, for the first time in
sixteen years, chose to obey her mother when she realized that the
mother was unflinchingly determined to break the girl's will and to
settle for nothing less than complete obedience. The mother then
said, "And it has lasted for three weeks! But I think she needs it
again this week." This dramatic illustration of how one mother
solved the problem of breaking the will of her daughter points up
how God's methods really can and do work. But a parent must be fully
purposed and determined in his heart that he will obey God no matter
what the consequences.


Here's another little snippet from the good pastor of Hephzibah House.

Quote

When to begin?

When should a parent start using the rod of correction on a child that the
Lord has brought into the family? There is no clear and specific answer to
this very good question. However, it is my opinion that the correction of
children should start as soon as the need for that correction is made
manifest. Every discerning parent who has been blessed with a little child
in his home realizes that his initial impression of the sweetness and the
innocence of the child is in reality an illusion. A child very quickly
demonstrates his fallen, depraved nature and reveals himself to be a selfish
little beast in manifold ways. As soon as the child begins to express his
own self-will (and this occurs early in life) that child needs to receive
correction. My wife and I have a general goal of making sure that each of
our children has his will broken by the time he reaches the age of one year.
To do this, a child must receive correction when he is a small infant. Every
parent recognizes that this self-will begins early as he has witnessed his
child stiffen his back and boldly demonstrate his rebellion and self- will
even though he has been fed, diapered, and cared for in every other physical
way.

[end quote]

If you read the entire text, you will see that earlier in the sermon, he has
explained how this must be a real beating with a real rod; and that it must
hurt; and that he has had "disciplinary sessions" go on for hours with his
most rebellious child.

And note above - he is advocating beating an infant - younger than one
year - with a rod - so that it breaks the "little beast's" will.

Can you imagine what he does to the little "Harlots" he is in charge of in
his "troubled girl" facility? If he will do this to his own little
children - even an infant - what would he do to some strange girl of 14 or
15 who  was sent to him for "correction"?
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« Reply #70 on: August 07, 2007, 04:52:50 PM »
http://www.hephzibahhouse.org/

The child beating sermon:
http://www.gotothebible.com/HTML/correc ... ldren.html
It has been removed; but if you go to: http://www.archive.org/web/web.php
and paste: http://www.gotothebible.com/HTML/correc ... ldren.html into the search bar; it will bring up the original web page with the full text of this sermon. Or, if you want, I can send it to you in an email attachment.

The sermon was also posted in full, on the Rick Ross cult education forum:

http://forum.rickross.com/viewtopic.php ... 3a4d9dbac5


[a Quote]

 In my position as the director of a rehabilitation ministry for
troubled teenage girls, I receive phone calls daily from desperate
parents all across the United States. They have children for whom
all hope seems to be gone because they did not start the use of the
rod of correction while there was hope as the Scriptures mandated. I
do not mean to discourage parents with older teenagers, who have
suddenly been exposed to God's inspired instructions in this matter.
As long as you have a child under your authority and your home where
you can directly supervise and correct him, there still is hope that
you may turn that child from his wicked ways and break his will. You
may still teach him to submit to authority in his life.

A good illustration of this hope is found in the case of a mother
who called me from a distant state about her troubled teenage
daughter. This teenager had gotten into such continual mischief and
wickedness that the desperate mother went to the local hardware
store and purchased a lock and chain with which to lock the girl to
her body. This unorthodox measure kept the girl in her home at night
but fell far short of Scriptural methodology in changing the heart!
I explained to the mother that we did not have room to receive the
girl at the time because our beds were filled. However, I mentioned
that I could give her a possible answer for her predicament. I also
said, "But I doubt that you will follow through." The mother,
hearing that there might be a solution to her crisis, desperately
implored, "Yes, I will take your counsel. What is your solution?" I
then proceeded to explain that the mother should get a stick that
would not break and get after that daughter until the daughter asked
for peace in their relationship. The mother hesitated in silence for
a time on that long distance telephone call, and then seemingly made
a firm commitment before me and the Lord that she would do so. She
answered, "Alright, I will!" I then forgot about the mother and her
call inasmuch as we receive several calls like this daily.

Three weeks later, I received a phone call from this same mother. I
had forgotten who she was and was reminded of her identity only when
she reminded me of the lock and chain she had purchased to secure
her daughter. I remembered who she was at that point since that was
a unique method of restraining the girl. I asked, "Well, what has
happened since our last conversation?" The mother replied that she
had taken my advice to secure a large stick that would not break,
and to quote the mother, "I wore off her behind!" I chuckled at the
mother's response and thoroughly enjoyed the rest of the story. She
went on to explain that she was simply amazed and dumbfounded at her
daughter's change of heart following the severe thrashing that the
mother gave her. It seems that the daughter, for the first time in
sixteen years, chose to obey her mother when she realized that the
mother was unflinchingly determined to break the girl's will and to
settle for nothing less than complete obedience. The mother then
said, "And it has lasted for three weeks! But I think she needs it
again this week." This dramatic illustration of how one mother
solved the problem of breaking the will of her daughter points up
how God's methods really can and do work. But a parent must be fully
purposed and determined in his heart that he will obey God no matter
what the consequences.


Here's another little snippet from the good pastor of Hephzibah House.

Quote

When to begin?

When should a parent start using the rod of correction on a child that the
Lord has brought into the family? There is no clear and specific answer to
this very good question. However, it is my opinion that the correction of
children should start as soon as the need for that correction is made
manifest. Every discerning parent who has been blessed with a little child
in his home realizes that his initial impression of the sweetness and the
innocence of the child is in reality an illusion. A child very quickly
demonstrates his fallen, depraved nature and reveals himself to be a selfish
little beast in manifold ways. As soon as the child begins to express his
own self-will (and this occurs early in life) that child needs to receive
correction. My wife and I have a general goal of making sure that each of
our children has his will broken by the time he reaches the age of one year.
To do this, a child must receive correction when he is a small infant. Every
parent recognizes that this self-will begins early as he has witnessed his
child stiffen his back and boldly demonstrate his rebellion and self- will
even though he has been fed, diapered, and cared for in every other physical
way.

[end quote]

If you read the entire text, you will see that earlier in the sermon, he has
explained how this must be a real beating with a real rod; and that it must
hurt; and that he has had "disciplinary sessions" go on for hours with his
most rebellious child.

And note above - he is advocating beating an infant - younger than one
year - with a rod - so that it breaks the "little beast's" will.

Can you imagine what he does to the little "Harlots" he is in charge of in
his "troubled girl" facility? If he will do this to his own little
children - even an infant - what would he do to some strange girl of 14 or
15 who  was sent to him for "correction"?

Also - consider calling the newspapers in the area and explaining to them what is going on. Consider calling the governor's office as well - and demand they investigate this obvious and very clear case of child battering.
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« Reply #71 on: August 07, 2007, 05:17:16 PM »
He's a sadist and has obviously sexualized this.

What I wonder is why people seem to think humiliation, painful torture, and degradation is acceptable for children but not adults who fuck up.

If only daddy had to get over someone's knee when he was violent, or verbally abusive, or got drunk  :rofl:

Castle has something funny to say in 3...2...
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DannyB on the internet:I CALLED A LAWYER TODAY TO SEE IF I COULD SUE YOUR ASSES FOR DOING THIS BUT THAT WAS NOT POSSIBLE.

CCMGirl on program restraints: "DON\'T TAZ ME BRO!!!!!"

TheWho on program survivors: "From where I sit I see all the anit-program[sic] people doing all the complaining and crying."

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« Reply #72 on: August 07, 2007, 06:08:56 PM »
I agree Niles. The man is a sadist operating a dangerous cult. He is as guilty (or more so) of child abuse than Warren Jeffs.  I find myself wondering how many undisclosed little graves are scattered through out the woods and fields of his "separated" Baptist congregation and home for girls.

His teachings on "the rod of correction", taken to their ultimate conclusion, lead to Andrea Yeats types of thinking: "I had to kill their bodies to save their souls"  

I hope very much the authorities in IN can be made to see how dangerous this is. We all need to do what we can to make sure they can not get away with saying : We didn't know.
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« Reply #73 on: August 07, 2007, 06:19:52 PM »
Quote from: ""Nihilanthic""
If only daddy had to get over someone's knee when he was violent, or verbally abusive, or got drunk  :rofl:

I suggested this to my ex-wife, but it didn't fly.
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« Reply #74 on: August 07, 2007, 06:20:48 PM »
I'm still waiting on an explanation why its ok to torture and humiliate children but not adults  :roll:
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DannyB on the internet:I CALLED A LAWYER TODAY TO SEE IF I COULD SUE YOUR ASSES FOR DOING THIS BUT THAT WAS NOT POSSIBLE.

CCMGirl on program restraints: "DON\'T TAZ ME BRO!!!!!"

TheWho on program survivors: "From where I sit I see all the anit-program[sic] people doing all the complaining and crying."