Suicide reveals squalid prison conditions

[Anonymous]

You truly put yourself on a slippery slope when you justify abuse based on a persons assumed crimes. If it's ok to abuse a sex offender why not a druggie? or an assumed druggie? What/who's moral scale do we use to tell us who it's ok to mistreatment and for what reason? The people that abused those of you who were in programs held the same basic think you display here. Your label as troubled teen, irrespective of it's bases in reality, was all that was necessary to justify your mistreatment. Not every inmate in these private prisons are sex offenders, or guilty for that matter. So what, are you all subscribing to a circle of loss theory?

Inmates have rights, yes... You as teens had rights. Abuse doesn't respect a persons rights by nature so any argument that inmates have rights is stupid and misses the point. Someone said that child molesters deserve mistreatment? Well you are in luck because they are mistreated, the teenage ones anyway. These kids are not sexual predators, many get locked up for having consensual sex. They face court ordered sex offender "treatment" that includes forced masturbation to sick stories of abuse, skin shocks and the use nauseous agents to aversely affect them sexually, they have to submit to "penis testing" that involves being forced to wear a ring around their privates that measures their response to graphic pornography. These kids are forced to talk about and do things that would emotionally kill the most headstrong adult, not to mention scared and growing children. But it's ok because they are convicted sex offenders who had a trial and lawyer and "rights".  

And what about the lady mentioned on page 2 of the story who killed herself after being sexually assaulted and then sexually humiliated by a GEO guard after reporting to the warden that guards allowed male and female inmates to have sex. Is this ok because she was an inmate?

What happened to you in program wasn't wrong because your mommy did it to you or because you weren't a bad person. The abuse you all experienced would not be ok under some other circumstance. You don't treat people like dogs, abuse is wrong no matter the reason. We can justify all manners of evils if we hold to the believe that these "evils" are ok "sometimes". Please wake up!!! Thats what happened to you!!

This story's parallel to teen programs is that we have people who are locked away in private institutions where their rights are violated, they are lorded over by unqualified and abusive guards who rule with "verbal and physical intimidation", The living conditions mirror what has been said about places like Casa by the Sea, TB and other lock'em up and forget'em teen gulags, and allegations of abuse are ignored( one can assume because just like teen manipulators these people are just inmates). Let me not forget to add that these places rake in a big profit.

The comparison, is way off base. If you want to compare yourself to a child molester, go right ahead but leave me out of it.

[Anonymous]

These kids are not sexual predators, many get locked up for having consensual sex. They face court ordered sex offender "treatment" that includes forced masturbation to sick stories of abuse, skin shocks and the use nauseous agents to aversely affect them sexually, they have to submit to "penis testing" that involves being forced to wear a ring around their privates that measures their response to graphic pornography.

From the article:
After months alone in his cell, Scot Noble Payne finished 20 pages of letters, describing to loved ones the decrepit conditions of the prison where he was serving time for molesting a child.

Then Payne used a razor blade to slice two 3-inch gashes in his throat. Guards found his body in the cell's shower, with the water still running.

"Try to comfort my mum too and try to get her to see that I am truly happy again," he wrote his uncle. "I tell you, it sure beats having water on the floor 24/7, a smelly pillow case, sheets with blood stains on them and a stinky towel that hasn't been changed since they caught me."

What kids are you talking about? This is a grown man who molested a child, couldn't handle the wet pillow, wrote twenty pages of trying-to-change-the-subject letters to make himself the victim instead of the child. This is a story about a disgusting  man who victimizes kids, that's it. Child molestation regularly occurs at programs. Ask me how much pity I have for them? They deserve the death penalty as far as I am concerned, if they molest a child.

[Anonymous]

More about this molester:

June 6, 2007 AP
A private prison guard in Texas who company officials say helped an Idaho inmate escape by providing an envelope stuffed with money has been convicted in a separate case of providing contraband to another Idaho prisoner. John Ratliffe, a former guard at the Dickens County Correctional Center where hundreds of Idaho inmates are housed due to overcrowding at home, was sentenced last month to five years probation, 120 hours of community service and a $1,000 fine for giving cigarettes to Idaho inmate Patterson Franklin, according to court records obtained Tuesday by The Associated Press. Ratliffe pleaded guilty. The problems surfaced starting Dec. 3 when sex offender Scot Noble Payne escaped through a prison kitchen door and scaled a fence. Afterward, Ratliffe acknowledged to his bosses at the prison run by Florida-based The GEO Group that he used Franklin as an intermediary to provide illegal items, including tobacco, underwear, sex tapes, music — and at least $200 Payne had with him when he was caught Dec. 10, according to an eight-page report compiled by GEO officials following the escape. Payne committed suicide March 4 after weeks in an isolation cell. He had been isolated as punishment for his escape. Officials say guard can avoid prison sentence.

http://www.privateci.org/texas.htm

[Anonymous]

more:

Dickens County Correctional Facility,  Spur, Texas
June 6, 2007 AP
Under terms of his contraband sentence, a Texas prison guard who provided illegal materials to Idaho inmates will only go to prison if he violates conditions of his release. Those conditions include staying out of “honky tonks” and “beer joints,” according to court documents. John Ratliffe, a former guard at the Dickens County Correctional Center where hundreds of Idaho inmates are housed, is also implicated in providing assistance to an inmate’s escape. But Ratliffe has denied knowing Payne planned to escape. Footprints matched to Payne, who later committed suicide, were found near Ratliffe’s home. Dickens County prosecutors couldn’t be reached for comment on whether Ratliffe faces additional charges related to the escape. Attempts to reach Ratliffe were unsuccessful. His telephone number in Paducah isn’t listed. The 43-year-old Payne was among inmates shipped to Dickens and another nearby facility in Littlefield, Texas, in August 2006 due to problems they experienced at another Texas facility, the Newton County Correctional Center. Those included incidents in which the inmates were punched and doused with pepper spray by guards. Both prisons are operated by The GEO Group of Florida. GEO officials said they took quick action upon learning in December about Ratliffe’s contraband operation. It included setting up a post office box where at least some prisoners’ families sent items or money to be transferred to inmates, according to documents. “When we have incidents of this kind, we conduct a full investigation, and if disciplinary action is required, we take that action properly, and that’s what we did in this case,” said Pablo Paez, a GEO spokesman. Ratliffe was placed on unpaid leave, then fired, Paez said. Records show a chaotic scene in Paducah before Payne was finally cornered by search dogs in a nearby riverbed. Ratliffe allegedly threatened to commit suicide shortly after searchers found Payne’s footprints near his backyard fence, prompting Texas Rangers to transfer Ratliffe to the local courthouse “where a mental health warrant was signed by the judge,” according to the GEO report. Idaho officials said they learned of Ratliffe’s activities after Payne’s capture. “We found out about it on Dec. 11 in a conversation between Warden Ron Alford and our contract compliance person Sharon Lamm,” said Jeff Ray, a spokesman for Idaho prisons. Alford was transferred in March to another GEO prison, after complaints from Idaho about conditions at Dickens.

http://www.privateci.org/rap_geo.html

[Anonymous]

BOISE, Idaho - A sex offender from Idaho has apparently killed himself in a prison in Texas, where he'd been shipped with about 400 other inmates from Idaho to ease overcrowding in prisons here. Forty-three-year-old Scott Noble Payne was found unresponsive and bleeding in a shower about one in the morning yesterday. He died just over an hour later.

Prison officials say a razor was used to cause the wounds. Payne had been in the news before: He escaped the same facility in December and spent a week on the run. After that escape, he'd been put in isolation at the Dickens County Correction Center. He was sentenced to up to 20 years in December 2002 in Ada County for lewd and lascivious conduct with a minor under 16.

http://www.geocities.com/voicism/index-deaths.html

This guy on the otherhand didn't need a smelly pillow...

Police say he admitted to fondling two little girls at his wife's in-home day care. On Wednesday, Ralph Guillette killed himself at the house where the alleged molestation took place. Police say 53 year-old Ralph Guillette was found near the back door of his house on Patchen Road in South Burlington. It's where his wife, Cheryl, has run a daycare for more than 15 years until last weekend when it was shut down.

Guillette reportedly shot himself as officers approached the house. Police were called to the home by a family member who was concerned he'd try to hurt himself. A suicide note was found. Guillette's suicide comes a day after he was in court to face charges for allegedly fondling a 7 year-old girl. And police say he admitted he molested a 5 year-old as well.

Since his court appearance, the Chittenden Unit for Special Investigations has received other calls from concerned people in the community. Some of those calls have pointed police to at least one other potential victim. Guillette had been released on bail after his arrest on Saturday. It's unclear what the suicide note said. Police did not indicate if there was an admission in it. The investigation into the suicide and

http://www.geocities.com/voicism/index-deaths.html

[Anonymous]

HERE IT IS A CRIME HE WAS CONVICTED OF

Witness recounts alleged 1989 rape in park
GRAND RAPIDS -- The 62-year-old rape victim has tried to move on and put the horror of what happened to her nearly two decades ago out of her mind.

But when offered the chance to put away the man she and police believe randomly brutalized her, she had to act.

"I have granddaughters. I dont want him out on the streets," said the woman.

She was 44 on Aug. 6, 1989, when she was approached by a man asking for a light for his cigarette as she walked home through Kentwoods Veterans Memorial Park on 48th Street east of South Division Avenue.

The man accused of the crime, 37-year-old Scott Payne, calmly watched her testify.

She told a Circuit Court jury Thursday that he then choked her, punched her in the face, hog-tied her with her own shoe-laces and then brutally raped her.

Payne, a convicted bank robber, is accused of raping multiple women in Wyoming and Kentwood in the summer of 1989. Today, the court is expected to hear about how a woman was raped at age 14 behind Grace Reformed Church on Burlingame Avenue SW on May 25, 1989.

Sounds like quite a guy, raping kids and adults and robbing banks for his whole life.. what a loss to us all.  :roll:

[Anonymous]

Wrong guy sorry.

Here is the story for this guy.

http://www.owyheepublishing.com/PastIss ... _09_02.pdf

[Anonymous]

Here it is

Ada County jury
convicts Payne
on sex charges


An Owyhee County man
was convicted during a four
day jury trial in Ada County
last week of
the same
charges to
which was
p l e a
bargained
down last
year by the
O w y h e e
C o u n t y
prosecuting attorney.
Scot Payne was convicted
on two counts of lewd
and lascivious
conduct with a minor
under 16 in an Ada
County courtroom
after a jury
deliberated for just
short of two hours.
Payne was arrested
in Owyhee County
last year and charged
with lewd and
lascivious conduct with a 14-
year old girl, but the charge
was later reduced after he pled

guilty to felony aggravated
battery. He was sentenced in
January to three years in prison
and 10 years probation, with
the court retaining jurisdiction,
which means Owyhee County
could enforce up to 10 years in
prison if Payne did not meet
the terms of his agreement. He
served six months in a prison
facility in Cottonwood and was
released last summer.
Ada County Deputy
Prosecuting Attorney Jean
Fisher prosecuted the case and
said she was able to
do what Owyhee
County Prosecuting
Attorney Ed
Yarbrough didn’t.
“I think a travisty
of justice has been
commited in
Owyhee County,”
Fisher said Monday.
“I think the victim
deserved better, and
she got better here in Ada
County. Justice was served

here.”
Payne’s trial began last
Monday and ended Thursday.
Fisher said Richard Harris was
Payne’s defense attorney and a
jury of nine women and three
men convicted Payne.
“I have to give a huge plug
to Owyhee County Chief
Deputy Dick Freund,” Fisher
said. “He did an incredible
investigation. He had
everything ready for us to get a
conviction. It was a fabulous
investigation. If it wasn’t for
Chief Deputy Freund and the
young wittness, we may not
have gotten the conviction we
got. The witness was so
believeable. The pain she
actually felt was felt by
everyone in the room. She was
a very compelling witness.”
Freund said he was
extremely pleased with the
outcome of the trial.
“I was very, very impressed
with her (Fisher’s) ability to
prepare for this trial,” Freund
said. “I have not been this
prepared for trial in 15 years,
since (former prosecuting
attorney) Clayton Andersen.
She called me numerous times
and we met numerous times to
go over evidence.
“I feel that this is a beginning
point for this young girl to heal.
Now she can begin to heal
because before, that guy was
walking around. I don’t know
how many other young girls
were victimized by this guy,
but I know he had relationships
with other women who left him
because they were concerned
about their children. Now this
girl can begin the healing
process.”
Fisher said Payne would be
scheduled for sentencing in
December and she is still
seeking people in the area who
have some concerns in Payne’s
sentencing.
“I have a lot of work to do
before I know what I will be
asking for,” Fisher continued.
“I am interested in talking to
any family or any one who
may have any other
information on Payne.”
Fisher said Payne previously
worked for the Marsing School
District in, she believed, the
maintenance department. She
said if anyone has any further
information concerning Payne
to feel free to call her at the
Ada County Prosecuting
Attorney’s office. -CP

[hanzomon4]

You folks really are not getting this? This has nothing to do with what this guy did and he wasn't the only one abused by this private prison. My mention of the child sex offenders had to do with someone mentioning how thay felt it was just to mistreat sex offenders. I used the term "Assumed crimes" because when someone is locked up we just assume they are guilty of something bad. This is only important because some folks here have expressed that abuse is ok if the person is a criminal. In my view your crime or assumed crime has nothing to do with justifying abuse as it's always wrong in my book.(Let me state clearly the guilt of this guy has not been challenged by me or anyone else)  

I understand that part of the teen program is the slandering of your character but that's not what I'm doing here. I'm not saying that teens in programs are the same kinds of people locked up in prison. I'm saying that both are being mistreated and it's wrong.    

Stop being so thick this has nothing to do with drawing a parallel between the types of people in teen programs and prison. This is not about a review of criminal histories, it's about abusive conditions in prisons that mirror abusive conditions in teen programs.

[Karass]

The parallels are simply these: "abuse" and "privately owned."

Whether society is better off or not without this particular scumbag is besides the point. Or do some of you think that human rights exist only in relation to one's behavior? If that's your belief, how is that different from the Program mentality?

[Anonymous]

So when your kid was having problems at home you considered sending them to a privately owned prison? Or was it sold as treatment? Seems like a big difference to me.

[Anonymous]

The private prison industry sounds a lot like the private 'troubled teen' industry. The warden at this GEO Group owned facility ruled “based on verbal and physical intimidation.” Sounds a lot like an adult version of many of the wonderful teen facilities profiled on Fornits.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/19638219/

Prisons aren't cults, you need both to get a glimpse of wha ta program is like. They are different. Not to mention the kids arne't child molesters but others already did that.

[Anonymous]

It is the raping of the mind, in addition to the body through lack of sanitary living conditions that lead to situations like attempted murder in programs for students to escape to jail. Why does something like this occur if the two are equally intolerable? Have you seen the WWASP documentary in which this is told?

[Anonymous]

Or do some of you think that human rights exist only in relation to one's behavior?

Isn't that what the justice system is? Designed to allow due process in order to see whether it's just to take someone's rights away, say like freedom? I think this is a part of our society whether we like it or not.

If that's your belief, how is that different from the Program mentality?

So you wouldn't punish an employee of a program who sexually molested your kid while under his care? Would that be "too program mentality" for you to believe in punishment for this person if they molested your kid?

I think there are many more differences in the two situations than similarities. I would of understood if this was posted in open or tacticus, with the title, abusive prisons in america, but to try and relate this to the troubled teen industry to me makes no sense at all.
So to answer your question, yes I think child molesters should have their right to molest other kids taken away. No I don't think that makes me a hypocrite since parents feel that way about their child who is ditching school, or experimenting with drugs or whatever. If people cannot see the different between the two situations, something is wrong with their perspective.

[nimdA]

I'm no fan of child molesters either. However, I won't sanction barbarism either.

A single slug to the temple works wonders and is painless.