Important~ Re: the 14 yo. boy's death at Aspen's Youth Care

[Joyce Harris]

Cathy, many people question the "dysfunctional thought patterns" of some officials in Utah.
Jared Eldridge, the County Attorney gave Cheryl Sudweeks a plea bargain in the Whitmore Academy criminal case.  Cheryl Sudweeks was charged with 5 counts of child abuse and 2 counts of hazing against 4 Whitmore children.  Eldridge allowed Sudweeks to cop-a-plea to "attempted hazing."

In a Deseret Morning News article, "Plea Deal for ex-school operator. She agrees not to run another re-habe facility in Juab"

Eldridge said:  "These kids made some allegations of abuse and I completely believed them.  That's why I filed the case.  But that I believed them is one thing, whether a jury is going to believe them is a a different question."

That appears to be a "dysfunctonal thought pattern."  If Eldridge believed the allegations enough to "file a case" why didn't he do his job, and  bring the case to trial and allow 12 jurors to decide Sudweeks's INNOCENCE OR GUILT?  Isn't that how the criminal justice system works?

I don't speak for the Whitmore victims; but surely these victims would have felt justice was better served, if a jury had heard their case, and made a decision; rather than Cheryl Sudweeks being given a tap on the wrist for "attempted hazing."

[Anonymous]

I just don't know how to break down the barrier of ignorance, greed and a dysfunctional thought pattern that governs this industry.

I'll offer a hint.

(Hey, don't look at me. I'm just an Anonymous. This is the ride you signed up for when you got into this business.)

Your clever little "scenario" is beyond offensive and completely inappropriate.  It is obvious that the statement was rhetorical.  Under the guise of "postulations," it is apparent you are trying to be hurtful.  If you know Michelle's story you would know she didnt "sign up" for anything. Let's hope you never have to wake up to the same nightmare of knowing your child was tortured to her death.  Pompous ass.

[Anonymous]

The ride she signed up for wasn't WWASPS but rather the advocacy business. If she would have simply mourned her daughter and accepted that tragedies happen, she wouldn't be quite so horrified. Again, I'm certain this is impossible and offensive, but we're in an environment where the psyches of normal people like Catherine Sutton clash against the twisted, warped psyches of Randall Hinton and Jay Kay. Because that laughable acceptance is exactly what they expected her to do, and they can't quite fathom why she ISN'T taking this lying down.

And I told her to make the postulates, not as something to believe 'for real', but rather simply as a way of understanding how these people think.

All better now?

(I can go even further in depth with this, actually. Imagine a value system in which the value of the life of a person is determined by how many important people that person knows, and how well he is treated by those important people, where the base value- not knowing any important people, and not following a specified religion (Mormonism) either- is effectively zero.)

[Anonymous]

No one hurt my feelings.............

My feelings are WAY beyond the hurt caused by the stupid people in this industry who gave no respect to my daughters God given life.  I will continue to be positively angered by what is happening to other "children" as well in these programs until the awful TRUTH is brought to light.

I look for the day when this nightmare ends.  I look for the day when these people have to face the ugly TRUTH of what they have done TO "children" for decades under the guise of "care and treatment"  This day WILL come!

This is an open forum where everyone AND anyone can comment.  Among parents and survivors, I believe there are probably Ed Cons, Lawyers, Referral Agents, Program Owners, Escort Service People, etc.

My comments are directed to those who have suffered as I have and give a darn about kids.

Catherine

[Bunnie]

guest, perhaps you should read about Catherine Suttons daughter and what happened to her to know more about what Catherine is about. http://www.michellesuttonmemorial.com/
If it were not for Catherine Sutton the children in Wilderness Programs would still be out in the desert with 1 pt waterbottles and hiking in the 112 degree heat.  Because of her deep care, for other children to not let something happen to another child what happened to hers.  There is so much more work for all of us to do as family members, surviors, and all the people who have common sense who want to stop the insanity.

It is not who is right it is what is right

[Mummie]

Amen Bunny.

[Anonymous]

Would it have really helped?

Programmie: "We're just calling to let you know that one of our thugs hit him too hard and-"

Mommie Dearest: "Can you call me back later? I'm on a date." *click*

This pitiiful comment shows just how uninformed and unenlightened you are on the subject of behaviorial issues, and the stress on the entire family.  And in this sad case of the boy who died in Draper, I know the family involved, and have 1st hand knowledge of the issues involved.

[Anonymous]

Would it have really helped?

Programmie: "We're just calling to let you know that one of our thugs hit him too hard and-"

Mommie Dearest: "Can you call me back later? I'm on a date." *click*

This pitiiful comment shows just how uninformed and unenlightened you are on the subject of behaviorial issues, and the stress on the entire family.  And in this sad case of the boy who died in Draper, I know the family involved, and have 1st hand knowledge of the issues involved.

I think it shows a pretty accurate depiction of what happens in these places.  You ever been in one?

[Anonymous]

Concerned Friend, others, like Sue Scheff /PURE have written such disgraceful statements about parents.  In her Whitmore blog, which praises the defunct Whitmore Academey, Scheff wrote about a Whitmore mother:

"From what I understand, she was desperate to get rid of her daughter--
Now this got me to thinking--What was the rush?  It was almost like the mother had a party to get to, or something?'

PURE speculation, gossip, opinions and non-facts, in some attempt to discredit this mother by Scheff?  One asks to ask, WHY?

[Anonymous]

concernedfriend wrote:
Guest wrote:
Would it have really helped?

Programmie: "We're just calling to let you know that one of our thugs hit him too hard and-"

Mommie Dearest: "Can you call me back later? I'm on a date." *click*


This pitiiful comment shows just how uninformed and unenlightened you are on the subject of behaviorial issues, and the stress on the entire family. And in this sad case of the boy who died in Draper, I know the family involved, and have 1st hand knowledge of the issues involved.


I think it shows a pretty accurate depiction of what happens in these places. You ever been in one?
 
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The person who typed this wasn't depicting the program, they were inferring that this is how parents act, in particular, the same parent that has been continually attacked, instead of staying on topic with this more serious discussion.  The poster is oly demeaning themselves by continuing to do so.

[Anonymous]

Concerned Friend, others, like Sue Scheff /PURE have written such disgraceful statements about parents. In her Whitmore blog, which praises the defunct Whitmore Academey, Scheff wrote about a Whitmore mother:

"From what I understand, she was desperate to get rid of her daughter--
Now this got me to thinking--What was the rush? It was almost like the mother had a party to get to, or something?'

PURE speculation, gossip, opinions and non-facts, in some attempt to discredit this mother by Scheff? One asks to ask, WHY?
 
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One also has to ask, (not "asks to ask"), why Guest keeps posting excerpts from that terrible blog?  Do you have some interest in this case, or are you just being despicable for shits and giggles?  I suggest you read her responses to previous attacks, because had you have, you wouldn't have posted that bit of ficticious horse crap.

[Anonymous]

Actually, I was thinking this Guest was lumping themselves right in there with Izzy and Sue by stating they have, so I will, by posting that Whitmore blog crap they spew.

[Anonymous]

Anyway..   Back to topic please.

[Deborah]

Anyway..   Back to topic please.

Yes, please, and thanks. What do the evil twins have to do with the death at Youth Care? Do either refer to Aspen programs. Don't answer, rhetorical.
They deserve the thrashing their getting, but every freakin thread?

[Anonymous]

We left off at Catherine stating the GAO is aware of the death of this child.  I wonder if Utah authorities are aware of it?  I bet if they were aware the case would be handled much differently as Utah has in the past.