Treatment Abuse, Behavior Modification, Thought Reform > Hyde Schools
Fire at Hidden Lake Academy
Ursus:
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--- Quote from: ""Guest"" ---It stands to reason that as a mental health professional Sidney Smith was fully aware of the financial benefits enjoyed by parents of institutionalized children. How sickening that he could do that to Jamie under false pretenses in order to milk the insurance company.
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I am totally not sure about that. I do not know any different, but I don't think it is fair, knowing the family, to come to that conclusion from what little we know. Do you know any facts that would suggest differently?
I do know, for a fact, that very few people understood this insurance scam while it was going on in the early '70s. I think more people became savvy to it as time went on. It was also out of parental control if the courts got involved in any way, e.g., the kid was caught with drugs, ran away, violent or self-destructive behaviors at school, etc. I got the overall impression that the beneficiaries were mostly the institutions, certainly not the parents. What exactly went down in Jamie's case, I don't know. I knew Phil better.
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I do know that it is impossible to institutionalize a child for the above-listed offenses without parental consent. Either Jamie was insane in his father's professional opinion, or he was not and his father gave his consent for other reasons. Unlike you, I do not know the Smith family. You probably know better than I why Sid Smith consented to have Jamie locked up.
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You are dead wrong about your assessment of necessary causes for institutionalization without parental consent. I personally know someone who was institutionalized for the grand crime of running away from home. Student was caught because they did not want to interrupt their schooling and hence continued to attend classes (junior high) whilst sleeping on the run. Talk about being dedicated beyond the parameters of common sense. Kid was arrested at school, hauled into court and ordered to return home. Kid refused due to fear of further abuse at home. Kid was sent to a detention center filled with hard core budding rapists and arsonists who routinely set the walls on fire. After a period of time, kid was hauled back to court. Kid still refused to return home. Kid was thence institutionalized in a psychiatric facility 'till the father's insurance policy ran out, thence discharged to a foster home, miraculously "cured." I've seen mainstream television news programs on this issue. This type of stuff happened to lots of kids. Where have you been?
Shit like this still goes on, 'cept maybe the insurance companies are now a little more savvy about being bilked. Check out the Gina Score story on the Troubled Teens Forum posted by Hanzomon4 last night. Story is about a case in 2000. Gina Score is dead. There is another case of a kid mentioned within that story where the kid stole the parents car and crossed the state line with it. Parents called the cops, worried about their son. So now he's in the system and what happens? Sent to boot camp, think it was 6 months, then he becomes a ward of the state 'till he turns 21. The parents wanted their kid back, but because the system got involved, they lost custody of him.
I do not know what Jamie's issues were. Like I said, I knew Phil better, but I didn't even know Phil all that well. I do not know the circumstances under which Jamie was institutionalized, nor for that matter, whether he ever really was. That tidbit came from you. If you say so, I'll go with that. But I certainly don't know what Sid had to say about all that, or even whether what he might have said would have even mattered. Given what was going on at the time with institutionalizing kids for seemingly minor infractions to shake them up, "scare them straight," and milking parental insurance policies to do so, I find it eminently believable that parent Sid may not have had any say in it. I say may, as I truly do not know. The boys in that family could be quite "passionate" about their issues, and that included the father.
Ursus:
--- Quote from: ""Guest"" ---Is Jamie the one that was really close to Joe or was that his brother?
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My guess is that that would be Phil. He was more old school. But I would hardly characterize that relationship as "close." Phil could be a real pisser. But I could be wrong...
All this discussion of Jamie has made me wonder... I always got the feeling that there was something emotionally fragile about the guy, a kind of sadness, and that Phil was often protective of his brother. If indeed Jamie was institutionalized for something, perhaps it was for events related to this. Again, I do not know...
There was also a sister... Melissa? Was that her name? Somebody help me out here...
Jesus H Christ:
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--- Quote from: ""Guest"" ---Is Jamie the one that was really close to Joe or was that his brother?
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My guess is that that would be Phil. He was more old school. But I would hardly characterize that relationship as "close." Phil could be a real pisser. But I could be wrong...
All this discussion of Jamie has made me wonder... I always got the feeling that there was something emotionally fragile about the guy, a kind of sadness, and that Phil was often protective of his brother. If indeed Jamie was institutionalized for something, perhaps it was for events related to this. Again, I do not know...
There was also a sister... Melissa? Was that her name? Somebody help me out here...
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Wow there is a blast from the past. I can't tell you much about Jamie because I was close to no one at Hyde, not even myself. i was afraid if I let myself know what I was doing I would turn my self in to Milton and I would end up moving fire wood with Jimmy Vita.
I do remember that Jamie had a gold Les Paul and was a talented musician. I have wondered if G.E. Smith of the SNL Band, Dylan side man etc, was not Jamie. They are about the same size, faces don't quite match but I heard that Jamie kissed the ass end of a flatbed truck and had a bunch of facial re constructive surgery after leaving Hyde. I have a friend of a friend that knows Sid. She told me that Sid confided that he use to beat the kids. Shit. A shrink that beats his kids, what an asshole.
Signed
Joe's egomaniac and narcissistic soul brother
Ursus:
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--- Quote from: ""Ursus"" ---
--- Quote from: ""Guest"" ---Is Jamie the one that was really close to Joe or was that his brother?
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My guess is that that would be Phil. He was more old school. But I would hardly characterize that relationship as "close." Phil could be a real pisser. But I could be wrong...
All this discussion of Jamie has made me wonder... I always got the feeling that there was something emotionally fragile about the guy, a kind of sadness, and that Phil was often protective of his brother. If indeed Jamie was institutionalized for something, perhaps it was for events related to this. Again, I do not know...
There was also a sister... Melissa? Was that her name? Somebody help me out here...
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Wow there is a blast from the past. I can't tell you much about Jamie because I was close to no one at Hyde, not even myself. i was afraid if I let myself know what I was doing I would turn my self in to Milton and I would end up moving fire wood with Jimmy Vita.
I do remember that Jamie had a gold Les Paul and was a talented musician. I have wondered if G.E. Smith of the SNL Band, Dylan side man etc, was not Jamie. They are about the same size, faces don't quite match but I heard that Jamie kissed the ass end of a flatbed truck and had a bunch of facial re constructive surgery after leaving Hyde. I have a friend of a friend that knows Sid. She told me that Sid confided that he use to beat the kids. Shit. A shrink that beats his kids, what an asshole.
Signed
Joe's egomaniac and narcissistic soul brother
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At least he admits it, appears to not feel so great about it. Many parents of that generation still did practice corporal punishment, eh? My parents did too, mostly my mother. Half the time, I was afraid for my life. It was always done in a fit of insane rage, armed with a dustpan broom. I was afraid she could no longer recognize the limits of my limbs, and that I would not survive...
That shit dies with me, not to be passed on to the next generation. When I specifically instructed my mother that that kind of discipline would not be acceptable with my son (his first visit to Grandma's house), she got a glazed look in her eye, and averted her gaze just slightly, like she didn't want to know what I was talking about. That's as far as she's come to admitting anything. It's a non-issue, just like Hyde.
Ursus:
--- Quote from: ""JoeSoulBro"" ---I do remember that Jamie had a gold Les Paul and was a talented musician. I have wondered if G.E. Smith of the SNL Band, Dylan side man etc, was not Jamie. They are about the same size, faces don't quite match but I heard that Jamie kissed the ass end of a flatbed truck and had a bunch of facial re constructive surgery after leaving Hyde.
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G.E. was allegedly born in 1952; my guess is that Jamie was probably born in 1959, give or take a year. Plus, I think G.E. grew up in Pennsylvania; Jamie grew up in Massachusetts.
But you are totally right about the general build, size...
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