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Suicide at AAA
Deborah:
Ellen Behrens was Dir of Youth Care
http://wwf.fornits.com/viewtopic.php?p=218077#218077
Prior to setting up "Evidence Based Consulting" and "partnering" with YC to conduct "independent" research
http://wwf.fornits.com/viewtopic.php?p=215887#215887
hanzomon4:
These numbers don't mean jack because
* It's not % based. Of course the numbers will be lower then the public sector because TBS kids account for such a small number of kids compared to the public sector. However even a % based comparison would be meaningless unless you knew how many kids were enrolled in TBS schools.
* Things like suicide due to trauma can take years to playout. Many former Straight kids killed themselves because of the abuse in Straight, but not many(or even any?) killed themselves while in Straight. Who ignores these deaths
* Can we really compare deaths in the tightly controlled environment of programs with those that happen out in the free world? The two or like apples and oranges really. A kid dying under the watchful eye of trained professionals means a lot more shit went wrong as opposed to a similar death in the free world.
* Abuse, even extreme abuse, does not equal deaths in program. How many kids died in High impact, or Straight? Were these programs safe/not abusive? Hell no!!!
These are some of the reasons I believe parents should ignore who's bs statistics If they read "my kid will be safe in a program" out of those numbers.
Anonymous:
Who is GIL HALLOWS?
hanzomon4:
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Director of AAA
TheWho:
--- Quote from: ""Hanzoman4"" ---It's not % based. Of course the numbers will be lower then the public sector because TBS kids account for such a small number of kids compared to the public sector. However even a % based comparison would be meaningless unless you knew how many kids were enrolled in TBS schools.
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Yes and I think parents realize this when viewing the numbers. Having numbers as low as 1 or 2 doesn’t really require a percentage in my opinion. If we were seeing a step function increase over a short period of say 2 years to 4 or 5 students then I think we would need to take a closer look to see if we were exceeding the public sector numbers (on a percentage basis as you had indicated). We could start applying a percentage when we determine how many kids are in the wilderness and TBS schools. This may be something an organization like NATSAP may be able to supply at some point. But the numbers are not available right now.
--- Quote from: ""Hanzoman4"" ---Things like suicide due to trauma can take years to playout. Many former Straight kids killed themselves because of the abuse in Straight, but not many(or even any?) killed themselves while in Straight. Who ignores these deaths
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Well, they are not ignored, just not available. How do we quantify the number of kids who would have committed suicide if they had not been helped by the TBS or wilderness (or kids who the program didn’t help and take their own life later (a wash)). Many of these kids have attempted to take their own lives prior to attending these schools. The public sector doesn’t capture this information either, the NCES doesn’t track the suicide rates of kids after graduation years later, so there would be nothing to compare the numbers to.
--- Quote from: ""Hanzoman4"" ---Can we really compare deaths in the tightly controlled environment of programs with those that happen out in the free world? The two or like apples and oranges really. A kid dying under the watchful eye of trained professionals means a lot more shit went wrong as opposed to a similar death in the free world.
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Well, I think we can…many parents are looking for this “watchful eyeâ€
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