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Suicide at AAA
hanzomon4:
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--- Quote from: ""TheWho"" ---Many parents do thank the schools...if you look at how a child is as they enter and then look at the path they are on when they leave and the productive lives they go on to lead, you would thank the school also...... there is an extremely high rate of suicide and homicides in the public sector for the age range of these kids........ these public schools are a safe haven for them to thrive and grow in.
This is not my opinion, the numbers support this.
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Ass, parents thanked Straight parents thank WWASPS... Hell even if the kid says they were raped the parents still thank the fucking school.
And your Stats or BS for many reasons, one of which is numbers. The number of kids in Public school is much higher then the number of kids in Private prisons, this plays to your employers advantage in any stats you provide for them. Second as Anne has pointed out the reason kids die in programs is not the same reason kids die in Private Prisons. I.E. not many kids die in school because they are called fakers and denied medical care, not many are forced to humiliate themselves to the point of wanting to commit suicide, or die because of forced marches in crazy ass temps for crackerjack therapy.
Again Shut up.....
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No I wont shut up, as long as the truth is not being heard or is being distorted….
I do you know why the kids are committing suicide? If you have this information you should pass it along to the parents, not here on fornits, because many of them do not know themselves and would like answers.
Many more kids are dying in the public sector, thousands and thousands each year. The TBS industry losses maybe 1 per year or less. Of course they are a smaller number as compared to the public sector, parents know this. But if you compare all the at-risk children who are placed in a TBS setting and the rate of death is extremely low then that is saying something.
Give credit where credit is due… the numbers do not lie. TBS are a safe alternative for at risk youths and it is proven over and over again….. are there kids that they wont be able to reach? Of course… they cant save them all but they wish they could.
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Proven my ass, The decades of abuse from these programs says that it don't work. The folks with ptsd and the ones in the ground show that it don't work. All the times your wonderful CEDUs closed down and changed names to avoid it's past screams "It don't work". The APA made a statement: It don't work. Nothing but programmie shrills like you say that it does work. Everything else including common sense says that locking kids up makes them worse, add crackerjack therapy and well.....
Why do program kids kill themselves??? Ummm... Read Psy's benchmark site he explains it all pretty well. If you would listen to what folks said around here without interjecting the shit you are paid to spout you would know already.
If you don't want the truth distorted take my advice, Shut up.......
TheWho:
Hanzomon4 wrote:
--- Quote --- The folks with ptsd and the ones in the ground show that it don't work
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You should read more outside of fornits, ptsd existed long before TBS’s came into existence and the other I think we can conclude the public sector is much more dangerous, especially, for children at risk.
--- Quote ---Why do program kids kill themselves??? Ummm... Read Psy's benchmark site he explains it all pretty well. If you would listen to what folks said around here without interjecting the shit you are paid to spout you would know already.
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Why do 1,500 kids kill themselves each year in the public sector? These are kids that have never seen, been near or had the benefit of attending a Therapeutic boarding school, that’s over 100/month. Now take these same at-risk kids and put them into a therapeutic environment and those numbers go away. We see thousands of kids graduate each year and get back on track and lead productive lives and are not statistics of death like they may have been….yes, a few cannot be reached, but dam Hanzo who is paying you? I dont get paid for my opinions (well, at least not on fornits), lets not blame the schools for this…these kids come in with preconditions, Ptsd, depression, cutting themselves etc.
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hanzomon4:
--- Quote from: ""TheWho"" ---Hanzomon4 wrote:
--- Quote --- The folks with ptsd and the ones in the ground show that it don't work
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You should read more outside of fornits, ptsd existed long before TBS’s came into existence and the other I think we can conclude the public sector is much more dangerous, especially, for children at risk.
--- Quote ---Why do program kids kill themselves??? Ummm... Read Psy's benchmark site he explains it all pretty well. If you would listen to what folks said around here without interjecting the shit you are paid to spout you would know already.
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Why do 1,500 kids kill themselves each year in the public sector? These are kids that have never seen, been near or had the benefit of attending a Therapeutic boarding school, that’s over 100/month. Now take these same at-risk kids and put them into a therapeutic environment and those numbers go away. We see thousands of kids graduate each year and get back on track and lead productive lives and are not statistics of death like they may have been….yes, a few cannot be reached, but dam Hanzo who is paying you? I dont get paid for my opinions (well, at least not on fornits), lets not blame the schools for this…these kids come in with preconditions, Ptsd, depression, cutting themselves etc.
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There you go again......
Kids don't get ptsd from learning science, however they do get ptsd from being forced to talk about rapes and participate in life steps, psychodramas, and confrontational group qwack therapy. Get your head out of your employers ass.
Your numbers mean nothing. More suicides happened in the public sector then in Abu ghraib. According to your logic Abu ghraib must be a safe place. Remember your industry has no independent evidence to back up the claims you throw around. Your employers only have claims and and bunch of hurt survivors that you try not to listen too when they say you abuse kids. Your industry also has decades of proven abuse stemming from when you tried the same shit you are doing today. Yes parents the crap they pass off as cutting edge therapy is the same stuff they have been successfully sued over renamed.
TheWho:
Honzomon4 wrote:
--- Quote ---Your numbers mean nothing. More suicides happened in the public sector then in Abu ghraib. According to your logic Abu ghraib must be a safe place.
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I really don’t know if the people there were at risk of suicide before they went in…I don’t believe they would be considered high risk in this area, so I don’t see how we can compare. The kids going to TBS, for the most part, come from a high-risk group, so we need to take this into consideration.
--- Quote ---Remember your industry has no independent evidence to back up the claims you throw around.
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I haven’t seen much in the way of studies being reported or supporting your claims either.
--- Quote --- Your employers only have claims and and bunch of hurt survivors that you try not to listen too when they say you abuse kids. Your industry also has decades of proven abuse stemming from when you tried the same shit you are doing today.
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So what does your boss say, how would you know what my boss says or if I even have a boss and if he is even interested in the TBS industry.
--- Quote --- Yes parents the crap they pass off as cutting edge therapy is the same stuff they have been successfully sued over renamed.
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The parents are not going to make a decision on their kids future based on an angry internet site. They will call a few schools and ask to speak to some parents who had kids attend and get a feel for if it is the right fit for their child. Then take a trip over and meet some of the kids who are locked in their cells… oh wait, I am sure they will let them out before you arrive to make a good appearance and then pre-program them to say they are happy there. Lets be honest!!
Sorry, a little late night humor……we don’t see enough of that around here.
MOMMABEAR:
you know at this point the one fact that we should all be able to agree on is this: the 17 year old child that we are currently talking about had two parents who loved him very much the fact that they had already lost their only other child only increased their desperation to save him. even though the parents may not have agreed on where to get him help they did agree that he needed help. this was a wonderful ,caring and loving young man who did not do drugs was not a bad kid he was just very sad and very unhappy and no body knew how to fix the problem because no one was sure what the problem was. after several threatened and attempted suicides the decision was made for him to go to aspen achievement academy because according to what they advertise they would help him learn what the issues were and how to deal with them while they were keeping him safe from himself and others. SO I GUESS THE QUESTION IS WHAT PART OF THEIR ADVERTISING WAS INCORRECT THE PART WHERE THEY WOULD HELP HIM OR THE PART WHERE THEY WOULD KEEP HIM SAFE??????? I would have to say in my opinion they failed on both parts rather they have helped other kids is not even the question or the point. The point is they failed horribly on this child and now everyone who had ever had the pleasure of knowing him must now suffer for their failure to provide what they advertised. I'm not talking out of my ass i know this child very well. Also parents dont take out loans for thousands of dollars to get their children help if they dont truly believe they are doing the right thing. If they had all of the information before they make these choices then they would also know the risk involved. this will only stop when cases like this stop being swept under the rug so that people know children are being mistreated and dying right under our noses. All of this is happening at the places that are supposed to help them and protect them.
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