Treatment Abuse, Behavior Modification, Thought Reform > Aspen Education Group
Suicide at AAA
Anne Bonney:
--- Quote from: ""TheWho"" ---Honzo, I am all for 2nd and 3rd autopsies, if it gets to root cause and the truth. But many here dont accept the results unless it fits their agenda, you know that!! The stats I provide are not BS, if the rate of death was higher in TBS or wilderness, fornits would be all over that and providing stats, but the fact remains that TBS's are safer...if you want to blame me for that stat, thats okay.
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No its not. You play with the parameters, move the goalposts. TBS's are neither safe nor effective and you can provide NO statistics to prove otherwise.
Its the stress of having therapy forced upon you. Its the division in the mind when you know what's going on around you is fucked up but you're being told its because they love you and want to help you. Its the lack of outside contact and with objective or questioning influences to keep you grounded in reality. You can't measure what that kind of shit does to the soul. And for a goddamn long time afterwards too. Its not like it just ends when you get out. Nope. You're in for another decade or so of confusion, self doubt, depression, anxiety, fear and finally realization.
Programs kill kids in too many ways to count. Not all of them are immediately evident or revealed. Its a deep and lasting thing to fuck with someone's inner core at a time when they're just developing it.
--- Quote ---The post above this one is an example of a child who died in a TBS (took his own life), now if people here cant figure out a way to blame the school for this death (or parents) then it is of no use to them and it will fall on deaf ears, no sympathy...nothing. Many here have only one agenda, attack the schools or the parents, period. They could care less about the kids and their families (many are on a mission)....... I have shown that this is my agenda, to care for the kids and help them and their families find answers.
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You're damn right we're on a mission. To keep people, especially kids, OUT of forced or coerced 'treatment' and to reveal and prevent the abuse of mind that goes on behind closed doors in order to produce these remarkable results (read: brainwashed drones) you guys keep touting.
We know very well your agenda now. Financial and ego.
Anne Bonney:
--- Quote from: ""TheWho"" ---I have seen many in and around the public school system and these kids have never heard of a program before. It happens whether the kids are in a TBS, wilderness or sleeping in their bed at home. You choose to only see one side because that is what you want to see…… how many articles are posted here on fornits of kids who die outside of programs from the same condition?
You make these deaths seem so unique to just programs
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Not unique, just more frequent and because of different reasons. And if you're sending your supposedly troubled kid away to a 'smaller and unique school' wouldn't you expect more supervision? Better quality staff and teachers? Better and more individualized actual therapy?
But, besides that the kids at public school aren't being killed in the name of therapy or help. Kids in public schools aren't offing themselves because they've been forced to reveal their deepest, darkest secrets to a bunch of lunatics who later use it against them. Kids in public schools arent' being 'restrained' (read: punished) to death. Kids in public schools aren't suffering from PTSD on a massive scale. Kids in public schools have recourse if a teacher gets out of hand or abusive. Kids in public schools have rights. At least for the time being anyway.
TheWho:
--- Quote from: ""Anne Bonney"" ---
--- Quote from: ""TheWho"" ---I have seen many in and around the public school system and these kids have never heard of a program before. It happens whether the kids are in a TBS, wilderness or sleeping in their bed at home. You choose to only see one side because that is what you want to see…… how many articles are posted here on fornits of kids who die outside of programs from the same condition?
You make these deaths seem so unique to just programs
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Not unique, just more frequent and because of different reasons. And if you're sending your supposedly troubled kid away to a 'smaller and unique school' wouldn't you expect more supervision? Better quality staff and teachers? Better and more individualized actual therapy?
But, besides that the kids at public school aren't being killed in the name of therapy or help. Kids in public schools aren't offing themselves because they've been forced to reveal their deepest, darkest secrets to a bunch of lunatics who later use it against them. Kids in public schools arent' being 'restrained' (read: punished) to death. Kids in public schools aren't suffering from PTSD on a massive scale. Kids in public schools have recourse if a teacher gets out of hand or abusive. Kids in public schools have rights. At least for the time being anyway.
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all of what you say is made up, there is no evidence that supports why kids commit suicide, not all schools use restraints, you have no figures to support your position, I do...........
Bottom line is that kids are dying at extremely high rates in the public sector compared to the unique settings of boarding schools. Thats what makes boarding schools more appealing to concerned parents or parents with at-risk children.... and this is why many parents seek their saftey for thier children.
Anne Bonney:
--- Quote from: ""TheWho"" ---
--- Quote from: ""Anne Bonney"" ---
--- Quote from: ""TheWho"" ---I have seen many in and around the public school system and these kids have never heard of a program before. It happens whether the kids are in a TBS, wilderness or sleeping in their bed at home. You choose to only see one side because that is what you want to see…… how many articles are posted here on fornits of kids who die outside of programs from the same condition?
You make these deaths seem so unique to just programs
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Not unique, just more frequent and because of different reasons. And if you're sending your supposedly troubled kid away to a 'smaller and unique school' wouldn't you expect more supervision? Better quality staff and teachers? Better and more individualized actual therapy?
But, besides that the kids at public school aren't being killed in the name of therapy or help. Kids in public schools aren't offing themselves because they've been forced to reveal their deepest, darkest secrets to a bunch of lunatics who later use it against them. Kids in public schools arent' being 'restrained' (read: punished) to death. Kids in public schools aren't suffering from PTSD on a massive scale. Kids in public schools have recourse if a teacher gets out of hand or abusive. Kids in public schools have rights. At least for the time being anyway.
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Bottom line is that kids are dying at extremely high rates in the public sector compared to the unique settings of boarding schools. Thats what makes boarding schools more appealing to concerned parents or parents with at-risk children....
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No, bottom line is that these places are not providing what they advertise. They're playing with accreditation to get around regulation. They scare parents into believing that they need help and that the programs have the answer when all they're doing is pushing a regurgitated version of what I went through years ago. Programs are ripping families to shreds and trying to make them thank them for it.
TheWho:
Many parents do thank the schools...if you look at how a child is as they enter and then look at the path they are on when they leave and the productive lives they go on to lead, you would thank the school also...... there is an extremely high rate of suicide and homicides in the public sector for the age range of these kids........ these public schools are a safe haven for them to thrive and grow in.
This is not my opinion, the numbers support this.
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