Treatment Abuse, Behavior Modification, Thought Reform > Aspen Education Group
Suicide at AAA
Oz girl:
Cant everyone just pretend the who does not exist. He will leave then
Anne Bonney:
--- Quote from: ""Guest"" ---THIS IS ALL RIDICULOUS.
I have BEEN in many of these programs including YCI.
There are very few wilderness's that are anything like Brat Camp
Alot of these kids cause their own problems out there and in any program.
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Now come on. We've all seen this before. Blame the victim.
--- Quote ---The staff can only do what they think would work best.
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The "staff" are unqualified, untrained non professionals. They don't KNOW what 'works'.
--- Quote ---Upon arriving in wilderness me and the other girl i went with PUT OUR OWN LIVES IN DANGER by choosing to try to run...
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No darlin'. Your parents and the program put you in danger by leaving you with a bunch of newage freaks hell bent on teaching you that you're not in control of anything.
--- Quote ---first in the middle of the night when it was dark and cold. then the next day we choose to try to hike to run and all they could do was hike with us. we got hypotherma from our own stupidity.
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No, you got hypothermia from being left with unqualified, untrained "staff" hell bent on teaching you taht you're not in control of anything.
--- Quote ---Looking back on wilderness I have wanted to go back and do it again. Its a wonderful opprotunity to step back from everything and concentrate on yourself.
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Kool Aid, Stockholm....take your pick.
--- Quote ---My boarding school was also a very rewarding experience. THIS SHIT IS NO WALK IN THE PARK. Many of the kids who go to these places have reached the end of their ropes. Their parents are out of ideas.
I had to fight my way up through the levels but when I got out I had actually learned and matured beyond belief.
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It's not a typical boarding school now is it? How many boarding schools promise to fix emotional or psychological problems?
--- Quote ---It did take one more program and a little while of me continuing to fuck up my life with bad choices with a bad boyfriend for me to finally mature and grow into my own
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Read that again. Very carefully.
--- Quote ---TO PARENTS WHO HAVE PUT YOUR KIDS SOMEWHERE: if they so choose than can make the best of this and come out a successful person. I myself have been offered a position at one of these boarding schools that I am more than happy to take knowing I know what its like and believin they do good.
IF THEY STILL ACT OUT: Give them some time... be patient. They are still kids and I know many people that have ended up working it all out in the end.
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^^^^^^ Just do that without sending them off first. The vast majority of them will be just fine.
Parents, your children are NOT safe. Go and get them. Bring them home and hope they'll forgive you. These places do NOT do any good, despite the claims. Ask them to back those claims up with studies and research and facts and see how quickly they change the subject or shut up.
--- Quote ---TO YOU HATERS... STFU if you don't konw what you are talking about. do not judge these parents for trying to help... do not judge these programs for trying to be there. you cannot even begin to imagine the ends these parents go to BEFORE resorting to this. Many of these places are amazing with staff who care.
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We (most of us) know all too well what happens. I've been through a program AND I'm a parent, so STFU yourself!
Anonymous:
--- Quote ---Ask them to back those claims up with studies and research and facts and see how quickly they change the subject or shut up.
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C'mon Anne, you know better than that. They'll make up or mis-cite whatever they can. Our local Aspen troll does that all day long.
Anonymous:
I've been in a program, worked in a program, owned a program, had five kids two of which were IN programs, then I became anti-program and helped shut down 50 programs, and I trained my grandkids to be active anti-program activists- so YOU STFU!
Anonymous:
A boy died. He didn't need to. Trained professionals know the signs to look for in order to protect clients. I'm sure this would not have happened while Brat Camp was at the location. Everyone would most likely be hyper-alert to risks, the way they should be. Most of these programs have protocol in place to prevent harm to the children but some of the staff who are working with the children have no college degrees, appropriate training (often one week) or lack the motivation to help children and just like the schedule and being outside.
I imagine there is a lot of guilt from everyone involved and if they were honest about it they would go public (or at least not cover it up)and let everyone know what mistakes were made so that others could learn from them. It does not need to be a secret. The problem is that some people are more afraid of the program shutting down...
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