Treatment Abuse, Behavior Modification, Thought Reform > The Ridge Creek School / Hidden Lake Academy
Educational Consultants
Anonymous:
Oh, and if you're referring to the ISAC web site please take the time to look at the web site; There aren't statistics on there - their information regarding deaths and abuses is based on actual incidents that have been documented and are in the national media.
along comes mary:
--- Quote from: ""TheWho"" ---From the research I did today I couldn’t find any requirements saying EdCons cannot recommend schools which provide therapy. It seems to be within their theater of work. I suspect fornits people feel it isn’t right because they don’t want anyone to be recommended to a TBS or wilderness program. But it seems the EdCons are doing their job from what I can see unless someone has more information that I overlooked.
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Seriously?
You think the problem anyone has with Ed Cons is because they really just don't want ANYONE to be referred to ANY TBS or wilderness EVER?
Thats quite an agenda...
It couldn't POSSIBLY be that the posters here had a personal experience with an Ed Con and /or the specific program said Ed Con referred them (or their child) to that was less than satisfactory?
And, as to the spectrum of an Ed Con's "theater of work" ... you should probably check out the thread on ODD.
I know, irrefutably, that at least a few Ed Cons are "acknowledged" by certain schools, including HLA, for their referrals.
If these people, who are just "doing their job", accept under-the-table commissions from these programs, or "bonus fees" that confused families are strongly "encouraged" to give them BY the programs, then does that not constitute an ITSY BITSY conflict of interest?
Is that not a bit different than just "doing their jobs"?
Is that not a bit more akin to abusing the trust put in them by distraught families, lining their pockets with extra cash from "appreciative" programs, and even intentionally referring children to programs that aren't appropriate for them if those particular programs are more "appreciative" than the other, more apropos placements?
It happens.
I don't know how extensive your "research" on Ed Cons was, but to suggest that they are all wholesome persons practicing an entirely wholesome profession based on.... your day's research(??!)... and then propose the idea that "fornits people" are not against the Ed Cons THEMSELVES, but are against each and every non-traditional program into which these "professionals" refer their clients, is ignorant and more than a little presumptuous.
I hope you are not in the business of solving crimes, because your "suspicions" fall FAR short of the truth and are entirely devoid of insight.
(I apologize if I sound overly harsh... but your blanket statements had to be called on their inaccuracy. However, I will say in your defense that it is extremely unlikely that any Ed Con or program's website would include any of the corrupt and (at least potentially) illegal activities they might engage in. If you know the truth about these kickbacks and such, than its probably because you've personally dealt with one of these profiteering Ed Cons, you are affiliated with a program who "buys" them, or you are one yourself. Additionally, I feel the need to acknowledge that there MUST be some Educational Consultants who ARE honest and "doing their job" with integrity. The last thing I want to do is make my own blanket statements condemning all Ed Cons...)
TheWho:
--- Quote --- You think the problem anyone has with Ed Cons is because they really just don't want ANYONE to be referred to ANY TBS or wilderness EVER?
Thats quite an agenda...
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You made some good points, ACM, Guess I broke one of my own rules(beliefs). I am not a big believer in absolutes and don’t like blanket statements either. Seems EdCons take a big hit from everyone here…it was mentioned that they shouldn’t be referring to TBS’s and I couldn’t find anything to back that up…that they should meet the children in person before referring them to a school etc. No one could point me towards where that is stated or defined and it didn’t become apparent during my few hours of research (not very in-depth, I agree), so I made a poorly supported conclusion.
EdCons are in the business to make money, like everyone else, and I can see that there could be a conflict with incentives that could tip the scales towards one school or another or to a placement that the child doesn’t even need. There may be more corrupt ones than good ones, I don’t know. I am not an EdCon nor have I ever used one.
I will take a back seat to this issue and read more from parents and students before giving my opinion on this subject again....sorry.
Anonymous:
When I decided to withdraw my 16 year old from HLA this year I hired an educational consultant-Nancy Burton in Georgia to meet with my 16 year old and help with homeward bound process and to get the transcripts out of HLA. She requested a lot of information and met with me and my child for 90 minutes before making any placement recommendations. She looked at all the progress reports from HLA and talked to her counselors before making a recommendation. The day I withdrew her, we sat together in Dahlonega and talked about coming home and placement in two other boarding schools. I asked her how she selected the schools: one she visited in Utah (Discovery Ranch) had an excellent reputation and another in Vermont (King George Academy) was recommended by the association of educational consultants. We decided to bring my daughter home and she wrote the home contract WITH my daughter to go to a local private school. I must say she did an excellent job and my daughter has been successful in the transition.
Oz girl:
--- Quote from: ""Guest"" ---Oh, and if you're referring to the ISAC web site please take the time to look at the web site; There aren't statistics on there - their information regarding deaths and abuses is based on actual incidents that have been documented and are in the national media.
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Perhaps you could provide some statistics which show how many parents have sued a non therapeutic American boarding school for neglect or abuse in the last 20 yrs. Or give some numbers on how many kids have died or been grieviously injured at summer camp?
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