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« Reply #60 on: May 23, 2007, 09:26:05 PM »
Well damn I go to bed for 4 hours and people are making posts and and telling fred thompsen.

Who is Fred Thompsen?


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Also remember keep on point with this. Let's not turning this into a feeding frenzy over that doophus Izzy.

I mean come on peeps... hasn't she gotten enough attention already?

Hanzomon good onya.
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« Reply #61 on: May 23, 2007, 09:43:55 PM »
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Advocacy is important enough to be done well. So consider this:

The general assumption here is that camp employees knew about the infection and ignored it, that the kid's needs were ignored. But all we have is the result: he died of an antibiotic-resistant strain of staph; he'd had staph numerous times before. The staph infection could have appeared and killed him within hours, as this type of infection does--daily--around the country. It happens with chilling frequency, and may have little or nothing to do with any preventative measures taken. It may be a case of neglect, but at this point, it's a stretch to place this in the neglect/abuse column. The death alone is not convincing to anyone who's seen how virile this infection can be.


You have some sources to back up the infection resistant staph premise? In my point of view that fact alone makes the program more responsible for the death and not less. Please cite some sources as this may well be critically important for demonstrating a critical flaw in the day to day operations of the average wilderness program. Here are my thoughts as to why I feell that.

Neglect is just as screwed up as abuse. The one thing people forget is that from the minute the child steps foot on the program is the minute the program becomes fully responsible for the child's safety. Not just sort of responsible that is shrugged off, but the sort of responsible that involves every aspect of the child's life. The program is responsible for ensuring the physical, mental, and emotional well being of those place in its care.

Now I'm not going to get involved in a debate over whether this was murder or not. Mainly because I'm nore prone to believe like you that it was neglect. It could well be that it was an accidental neglect as well. If this staph does work like you say and it strikes so fast it could be that the staff involved shrugged off the intial reports as malingering. Being realistic most staff don't have advanced medical training in the first place.

But this is my take on it.

The program was responsible for Caleb's health and safety needs from the second he arrived. The fact that Caleb is now dead indicates to me that they neglected their responsibilities to ensure those needs would be timely met. It isn't a matter of fairness to the program and employees as the in the end the young man is dead. That death they are responsible for because somewhere along the line the promise spoken or otherwised was made that Caleb would be returning home alive. The fact that medical treatment wasn't provided is solely the blame of the program. No physical complaint should be considered to trivial to not warrant the notice of some sort of medical care.

How that plays out in a wilderness program is difficult to ascertain, but none the less still critically important.
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« Reply #62 on: May 23, 2007, 10:33:45 PM »
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Advocacy is important enough to be done well. So consider this:
The general assumption here is that camp employees knew about the infection and ignored it, that the kid's needs were ignored. But all we have is the result: he died of an antibiotic-resistant strain of staph; he'd had staph numerous times before. The staph infection could have appeared and killed him within hours, as this type of infection does--daily--around the country. It happens with chilling frequency, and may have little or nothing to do with any preventative measures taken. It may be a case of neglect, but at this point, it's a stretch to place this in the neglect/abuse column. The death alone is not convincing to anyone who's seen how virile this infection can be.

Peddle your bullshit somewhere else.

Yeh, perfectly innocent. That's why they were so vague with his mom. She didn't even know where he was pronounced dead. And couldn't get anything out of the coroner until she hired an attorney. Welcome to program land.
http://wwf.fornits.com/viewtopic.php?p=261428#261428
http://wwf.fornits.com/viewtopic.php?p=261428#261428

I guess those sores on his mouth just cropped up in the 10 minutes between the time he told the counselor he was sick and needed to go home and when he fell over and became unresponsive.
Antibiotic resistant or not, he deserved a fighting chance. It's not a certain death sentence.

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Wyllie et al. report a death rate of 34% within 30 days among patients infected with MRSA, while among MSSA patients the death rate was similar at 27%.  http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MRSA

Since it's most commonly "community-acquired", who's to say he didn't get it there, or that the deprivation diet and austere rigors of the program didn't exacerbate the problem? All those things are hard on the immune system.

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Caleb described a different life in camp. He wrote he had to climb mountains every day until he was exhausted. He was able to wash only twice a week using tiny amounts of water. He had to clean his dishes after meals by licking them and then using dirt to scour them.
Sounds like a staff infection waiting to happen.
 
Patients are quarentined. Have any of the other kids acquired it?

And I guess DHS just made this one up, “It’s the department’s belief the child reported symptoms of observable signs of infection that were neglected and he was denied proper medical treatment,” Liz McDonough, Colorado Department of Health and Human Services spokeswoman said Friday.
http://wwf.fornits.com/viewtopic.php?p=261430#261430

Who was the lucky staff who got to perform rescue breathing???

Who's responsible for overlooking or ignoring his medical history of staff infections on his face???
http://wwf.fornits.com/viewtopic.php?p=261462#261462

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Caleb, who had been exhibiting behavioral problems for several days before his death, told a counselor he didn't feel well and needed to go home. After the counselor moved on, Caleb slumped over. Less than 10 minutes later when a counselor checked on him, he was dead, Reese said.

At the very fuckin least, he should have been able to die with his family instead of in some cold, heartless program.
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« Reply #63 on: May 23, 2007, 10:35:40 PM »
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And I guess DHS just made this one up, “It’s the department’s belief the child reported symptoms of observable signs of infection that were neglected and he was denied proper medical treatment,” Liz McDonough, Colorado Department of Health and Human Services spokeswoman said Friday.


Jesus. Is the state pushing for charges yet?
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« Reply #64 on: May 23, 2007, 10:50:01 PM »
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« Reply #65 on: May 23, 2007, 11:00:37 PM »
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You have some sources to back up the infection resistant staph premise?


Yeh, it was reported:

His mother says her son died of a simple staph infection which could easily have been treated.
http://wwf.fornits.com/viewtopic.php?t= ... sc&start=0

Colorado authorities say Jensen died from a staphylococcus infection.
http://wwf.fornits.com/viewtopic.php?p=261428#261428

The Mesa County Coroner, to whom Jensen’s autopsy was transferred while jurisdiction was being determined, said in a Thursday news release the youth died from a methicillin-resistant staph aureus infection.
http://wwf.fornits.com/viewtopic.php?p=261430#261430

Caleb died of a methicillin-resistant staphylococcus aureus infection. The bacterial infection traditionally is seen in hospitalized or very ill or elderly patients.
http://wwf.fornits.com/viewtopic.php?p=261559#261559
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Remember the Andersen case? A second opinion might be good. Although, even if it was MRSA, he still could've survived with proper medical attention. It's not an immediate death sentence, unless one happens to be in a program.
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« Reply #66 on: May 23, 2007, 11:01:10 PM »
Ok we got this on the line up.

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Who else is gonna post or have already posted?
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« Reply #67 on: May 23, 2007, 11:05:36 PM »
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Caleb described a different life in camp. He wrote he had to climb mountains every day until he was exhausted. He was able to wash only twice a week using tiny amounts of water. He had to clean his dishes after meals by licking them and then using dirt to scour them.
Sounds like a staff infection waiting to happen.
 
Who's responsible for overlooking or ignoring his medical history of staff infections on his face???
http://wwf.fornits.com/viewtopic.php?p=261462#261462


I was about to edit those typos, but decided to leave them. How appropro!! STAFF infection. :rofl:
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« Reply #68 on: May 23, 2007, 11:14:50 PM »
Hey debs you going to get in on this?
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« Reply #69 on: May 23, 2007, 11:40:45 PM »
I'll check it tomorrow and see if there's anything I think needs to be said that hasn't been. Not interested in wasting my time debating and posting information in that venue only to have it all deleted when some program jerk complains. My time is too valuable these days.
May just put together some links to info on Fornits. We'll see how I feel tomorrow.
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« Reply #70 on: May 23, 2007, 11:41:40 PM »
that alone is awesome. We do need someone to do the research.
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« Reply #71 on: May 23, 2007, 11:57:01 PM »
Why isn't anyone posting on the Denver site?
It's not OK that Isabelle Zehnder has taken over this board and turned it into her CAICA self-seving agenda; linking all of her websites and services.
Izzy is in BLOG heaven.

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« Reply #72 on: May 24, 2007, 12:02:26 AM »
link please
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« Reply #73 on: May 24, 2007, 12:05:19 AM »
From Montrose Press:  http://www.montrosepress.com/articles/2 ... news/2.txt

The Mesa County Coroner, to whom Jensen’s autopsy was transferred while jurisdiction was being determined, said in a Thursday news release the youth died from a methicillin-resistant staph aureus infection.

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From Denver Post:  http://www.denverpost.com/avalanche/ci_5904191

 frequent problems with staph infections[/color].

"He should have been cared for. He should be alive today," a sobbing Boyd said during a telephone conversation from her home. "I know my baby told them. He always knew when he had a staph infection."

...Caleb died of a methicillin-resistant staphylococcus aureus infection. The bacterial infection traditionally is seen in hospitalized or very ill or elderly patients.

Caleb's mother said he had been treated for numerous staph infections since he was a toddler and suffered a related skin problem called impetigo. He was treated for three infections while he was in other juvenile justice programs in Utah before being sent to the camp, she said.

"When I saw my son in the casket and looked at his little face, there was a sore on each side of his mouth under the makeup. ... I knew," she said.

...Caleb's family has been unable to get much information about his death. Reese said they pieced together information that shows Caleb was sitting on his sleeping bag in the camp during a rest day on the day he died. Caleb, who had been exhibiting behavioral problems for several days before his death, told a counselor he didn't feel well and needed to go home. After the counselor moved on, Caleb slumped over. Less than 10 minutes later when a counselor checked on him, he was dead, Reese said.

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Denver Post blog can be linked near the bottom of the above article.
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« Reply #74 on: May 24, 2007, 12:09:13 AM »
Deborah wrote:

Post your thoughts at the Denver Post Forum
http://neighbors.denverpost.com//viewto ... ?t=5904191
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