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ASR's Violations of Massachusetts Education Law
hanzomon4:
--- Quote from: ""TheWho"" ---There isnt any specific regulation….. why submit to regulations and give up control to someone else if you don’t have to? If you don’t feel it will benefit the kids or families, why do it? Why be held to being told what color to paint the bathrooms and such?
If you owned a candy shop and were growing and doing fine for 10 years, why would you want to have the state come in and tell you how to run your business?
I am not a big fan of big brother getting involved in anything, just screws things up.
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You're making stuff up again Who :flame:
I want specifics not "they'll makes us repaint the restrooms" smoke and mirrors. You can't give me any specific law to look at? Why spread FUD? I'm asking you a straight question. I'm not asking for an argument I just want to know what specific oversights/regulations makes you piss your pants a little.
Look at other programs that you know to be abusive that can't be touched because they exist outside of the law. You have a kid, allegedly, could you imagine how pissed you would be if you sent her to Tranquility Bay were she was abused and then find out that you have no way of getting justice?
Deborah:
I've posted the link to the Mass Regulations several times and invited him to cite the regs he felt wouldn't "add value" to a program, specifically ASR. He's not interested in that discussion. He'd rather carry on about the state controling everything from what computer software one uses to what color the bathroom will be to the treatment venue- cammo/drill sgts. Not sure who he's trying to sell that load to.
All treatment facilities are required to be licensed. Those that aren't have simply deceived the state regarding 'services provided'.
TheWho:
--- Quote from: ""hanzomon4"" ---
--- Quote from: ""TheWho"" ---There isnt any specific regulation….. why submit to regulations and give up control to someone else if you don’t have to? If you don’t feel it will benefit the kids or families, why do it? Why be held to being told what color to paint the bathrooms and such?
If you owned a candy shop and were growing and doing fine for 10 years, why would you want to have the state come in and tell you how to run your business?
I am not a big fan of big brother getting involved in anything, just screws things up.
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You're making stuff up again Who :flame:
I want specifics not "they'll makes us repaint the restrooms" smoke and mirrors. You can't give me any specific law to look at? Why spread FUD? I'm asking you a straight question. I'm not asking for an argument I just want to know what specific oversights/regulations makes you piss your pants a little.
Look at other programs that you know to be abusive that can't be touched because they exist outside of the law. You have a kid, allegedly, could you imagine how pissed you would be if you sent her to Tranquility Bay were she was abused and then find out that you have no way of getting justice?
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Not making anything up…. Just trying to explain why (in general) businesses do not like state oversight. It is not because of a single regulation, but the fact that it restricts you from doing things, slows down progress and change and can be costly. If there can be no attributed value to doing this why sign up?
As far as TB I would not like it at all. Not all programs/schools abuse kids….the problems at TB should be addressed, I agree.
RobertBruce:
Cindy, we're looking for you to get specific.
--- Quote ---but the fact that it restricts you from doing things
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What things? Specifically.
--- Quote ---slows down progress
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How so? Again specifically.
--- Quote ---and change and can be costly.
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Why? What specifically is so costly?
If you want to have a real conversation on here you're going to have to learn to stop making things up and speaking in generalizations.
Troll Control:
One needent look any further than the energy industry to see that deregulation spawns graft, fraud, waste and abuse.
Besides, there isn't any "creativity" needed for treatment. We have SCIENCE for that. Only TBS's suppress proven treatment because they don't want to pay the cost of professionals' salaries, so they get uneducated hacks to implement non-outcome based "treatment".
Mental health treatment is, and should be, regulated. It keeps patients safe and assures ethical, proven treatment methods.
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