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ASR's Violations of Massachusetts Education Law
RobertBruce:
Well with that matter settled and it firmly established that ASR is not regulated by the DoE and has no licensed teachers the best course of action I would think to be contacting the EEC. Clearly ASR will no longer be able to apply for exemption under the 30% rule and once regulation is forced upon them licensed teachers will become a requirement.
TheWho:
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--- Quote from: ""Guest"" ---You should take it up with ASR and demand that they hire qualified licensed teachers! They're the only ones who can change this troubling reality...
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I think we found some common ground Ha,Ha,Ha,... a little hard to see though, but it there.
All kidding aside folks, like the guest said we need to defer to the ones who know and take it up with them...
Call the school or the state DOE.
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Call the DOE. They have no reason to lie. ASR needs to protect its revenue stream and will lie to do it. Check with DOE.
I checked with DOE and they verified that no teachers at ASR hold a license to teach.
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Let me hit the horse one more time!!
I think we are all in consensus... Call the DOE
RobertBruce:
Done.
No licensed teachers at ASR.
Not licensed by the DOE.
Call them yourself and verify.
Anonymous:
Has anybody tried to get the three departments involved in licensure where ASR is apparently violating requirements to get their heads together? That is, to each assign someone specifically to the case, then get them in touch with each other. I guess the best way to do this would be to get each department to give you a name of who you can call back on this matter. Say, "Can I get your first name? Can I ask for you if I call back about this?"
Then I guess the thing to do is when you call back each of the three places is to give the first name of the other guys and their numbers.
The trick is at any single one of the numbers to first get a guy willing to work with the other two agencies--because he will be the one to give the other two numbers and first names to. Your first name folks are going to be the ones just answering the phones. You get buy in from even one agency to start with, and he/she can get past the front line phone stage at the other two agencies.
The agencies have been going at ASR one at a time. If they have three enforcement people from all possible departments going after ASR all at the same time, then it makes it very likely that they can all make immediate headway with a judge and get a feather in their professional caps.
I figure if all three go to the judge at the same time, odds are pretty high that he'll order ASR to comply with licensure requirements for at least two of them--if not all three.
ASR's position is that it doesn't need a license from any. Legally, the countervailing argument--that it needs a license from all--may make just as much sense within the wording of the law. Don't know for sure, I'm not a lawyer, I haven't read the laws or the existing case law on them.
Get three bureaucrats from each agency in front of the same judge, pointing out that ASR isn't licensed by anybody, and there's a good chance they can get the judge mad enough to throw the book at ASR.
Which would, of course, be a crying shame. Not.
Julie[/i]
TheWho:
--- Quote from: ""Guest"" ---Has anybody tried to get the three departments involved in licensure where ASR is apparently violating requirements to get their heads together? That is, to each assign someone specifically to the case, then get them in touch with each other. I guess the best way to do this would be to get each department to give you a name of who you can call back on this matter. Say, "Can I get your first name? Can I ask for you if I call back about this?"
Then I guess the thing to do is when you call back each of the three places is to give the first name of the other guys and their numbers.
The trick is at any single one of the numbers to first get a guy willing to work with the other two agencies--because he will be the one to give the other two numbers and first names to. Your first name folks are going to be the ones just answering the phones. You get buy in from even one agency to start with, and he/she can get past the front line phone stage at the other two agencies.
The agencies have been going at ASR one at a time. If they have three enforcement people from all possible departments going after ASR all at the same time, then it makes it very likely that they can all make immediate headway with a judge and get a feather in their professional caps.
I figure if all three go to the judge at the same time, odds are pretty high that he'll order ASR to comply with licensure requirements for at least two of them--if not all three.
ASR's position is that it doesn't need a license from any. Legally, the countervailing argument--that it needs a license from all--may make just as much sense within the wording of the law. Don't know for sure, I'm not a lawyer, I haven't read the laws or the existing case law on them.
Get three bureaucrats from each agency in front of the same judge, pointing out that ASR isn't licensed by anybody, and there's a good chance they can get the judge mad enough to throw the book at ASR.
Which would, of course, be a crying shame. Not.
Julie[/i]
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Thinking out loud along the same lines, one approach is to look at the multiple agencies and see what they have in common and then enforce those regulations first (the ones that apply to all agencies). Basic stuff like heat, fire escapes, nutrition etc.
I don’t think the agencies are in a position or would want to try to get a judge mad about anything. From a professional point of view the judge would want to do what is right and makes sense considering all of the circumstances. Problems like this come up all the time.
But a good step (1st step) in the right direction is to get everyone involved……
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