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« Reply #30 on: April 17, 2007, 07:57:29 PM »
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I don't trust him to report accurately

Look you can choose any law out of the book and accuse me because I wont go and check on it for you.
Do your own work.

We were talking about if kids could call home in privacy or not and we established that they can.

Privacy = 4 students and a staff counselor in the room...

This my friends, is called "loading the language"


I will repost.  The use of the word Private was ill chosen:

 I can see how that could be confusing to some people. I can be a stickler myself sometimes, Let me clarify:

When the kids call home they sit in a partitioned off area, maybe 4 or more at the table, each with their own cubby. The kids cant hear each other and the counselors cant hear you at a normal speaking voice.

Each person needs to have clothes on or dressed appropriately because there are others in the room.
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« Reply #31 on: April 17, 2007, 08:07:38 PM »
Doggone it, Who-boy.  :evil:
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« Reply #32 on: April 17, 2007, 11:01:44 PM »
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I never had a phone in high school, we had to use the one in the nurses office or principles office (with them listening in!!!!!)


High schools aren't (yet) "treatment facilities".
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« Reply #33 on: April 17, 2007, 11:07:26 PM »
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We all know these places don't resemble high schools
We do?

You've got a whole thread in which you attempt to distinquish them from public schools.

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I don’t see a problem with their set up, personally, it seems to work well for the kids and the parents.  I think what many kids would like is more phone time not privacy, is the feed back I have heard.  If they feel they are being unfairly treated they should tell their parents when they talk to them.


You contridict yourself. It clearly isn't working for the kids if they want more phone time. Is that so much to ask? Why the blanket policy? Even severely mentally distressed get more phone time. Why didn't you want/ demand more phone time with your daughter?
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« Reply #34 on: April 17, 2007, 11:19:15 PM »
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I don't trust him to report accurately

Look you can choose any law out of the book and accuse me because I wont go and check on it for you.
Do your own work.

We were talking about if kids could call home in privacy or not and we established that they can.

Privacy = 4 students and a staff counselor in the room...

This my friends, is called "loading the language"

I will repost.  The use of the word Private was ill chosen:

 I can see how that could be confusing to some people. I can be a stickler myself sometimes, Let me clarify:

When the kids call home they sit in a partitioned off area, maybe 4 or more at the table, each with their own cubby. The kids cant hear each other and the counselors cant hear you at a normal speaking voice.
http://http://fornits.com/wwf/viewtopic.php?p=230679#230679
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Each person needs to have clothes on or dressed appropriately because there are others in the room.



re: abuse reporting

yeah.... and where i was, they did laugh.

RE: Wonderful happy happy place, kids don't slit wrists
aah.. i remember that one...
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« Reply #35 on: April 17, 2007, 11:20:50 PM »
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We were talking about if kids could call home in privacy or not and we established that they can.

"We" did no such thing. We established that the survivor and ex staff have more credibility than you.

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So now you want to see if they have 24 hour access to a phone... we need to review the law... does it apply to boarding schools?........

So, ASR is back to being a boarding school. Now, when you and other parents want insurance/IEPs to pay for your "disabled" child's "treatment", they will be a treatment facility.
Fact is, they aren't a boarding school. They are providing mental health services to minors in a residential facility for 14-19 months.
There's a reason hotlines are required in such facilities. History has shown there is a high risk of abuse. Patients need to be able to report abuses, and not to the staff that are abusing them.

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I dont believe they are breaking any laws, because I dont check for you doesnt mean they are guilty.  Tough crowd around here...............


That's true, as long as they remain classified as a "school". Technically they are violating the law in more than one instance. They need to be licensed as an RTC. And since when do "schools" qualify for insurance reimbursement and tax write-offs for visits to see your "disabled" child?
What a gravy train and absolute fraud this industry is. You and all the rest are beyond pathetic.
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« Reply #36 on: April 17, 2007, 11:35:03 PM »
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You contridict yourself. It clearly isn't working for the kids if they want more phone time. Is that so much to ask? Why the blanket policy? Even severely mentally distressed get more phone time. Why didn't you want/ demand more phone time with your daughter?


The system seems to be working well as far as the children’s privacy is concerned.  Which is where that comes from.  I haven’t heard of any feed back where this was a big issue.  My daughter indicated that if she could change one thing about her stay at ASR it would be to increase the telephone time.  I don’t see this as a big thing to ask for either, I tend to agree,
As far as severely mentally distressed people go, I wouldn’t know how much communication would be best for them, I am not a doctor.  If they are allowed more time on the phone there must be a reason.  It must assist with or accelerate their recovery I would imagine.
The parents often talked of the rules they had and we weighed in and discussed our concerns with the counselors and head master etc.  More phone time was one, scheduling SAT testing more often was another, I recall.  More off campus visits etc.  Communication was tough but we understood that they were trying to keep their world small and focused on themselves.  Many parents commented that their kids talked to them more from ASR then they did when they were home Ha,Ha,Ha, so I guess it is relative and different for each family.
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« Reply #37 on: April 17, 2007, 11:50:46 PM »
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So, ASR is back to being a boarding school. Now, when you and other parents want insurance/IEPs to pay for your "disabled" child's "treatment", they will be a treatment facility.
Fact is, they aren't a boarding school. They are providing mental health services to minors in a residential facility for 14-19 months..

TBS (Therapeutic boarding school).  I don’t think many of the parents are seeking IEP’s or that their kids fell under the title of “Special needs”.  Of all the parents I spoke with, none even attempted to claim insurance recovery, they were all out of pocket expensise.  I would be willing to bet they dont take kids with IEP's because of extra requirements that go along with it.

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There's a reason hotlines are required in such facilities. History has shown there is a high risk of abuse. Patients need to be able to report abuses, and not to the staff that are abusing them

They may or may not meet this requirement, I just don’t know.  We would have to pull this law out and take a look at it and see how ASR compares against the requirements.

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That's true, as long as they remain classified as a "school". Technically they are violating the law in more than one instance. They need to be licensed as an RTC. And since when do "schools" qualify for insurance reimbursement and tax write-offs for visits to see your "disabled" child?
What a gravy train and absolute fraud this industry is. You and all the rest are beyond pathetic.


I cannot speak to what parents write off on their taxes.  None of us would know that, even some of the parents don’t know, their accountants take care of most of the details.  I wouldn’t crucify them for that.  Why wouldn’t they be classified as a school?

I am not familiar with all the laws but I would lean them more towards a boarding school than an RTC, but that is my opinion.  I’ll leave the definition up to the state.
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« Reply #38 on: April 18, 2007, 12:01:59 AM »
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I don't know if anyone ever got their phone call completely taken away. I got my right to "private" phone calls (a counselor was always in the room monitoring anyway) taken away. I had to have conference calls for a few weeks.

It appears the child lost their phone privilege but still kept communication with the family only it was on a conference level.  This happens; the child could be dealing with a specific problem in this area.

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1)I think my counselors personally held bachelors degrees. At the time when I was there we had no live-in staff. At night we had "night staff". I think the only qualification for this was a background check.

I believe they have 24 hour staff now.

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I don't think it was. At all. I can honestly say that when I was younger pre-ASR there were times when I did use hurting myself to hurt other people, but I grew out of this pretty quickly and what I did at ASR had nothing to do with getting back at anyone


I don’t know about kids that cut themselves and how this is classified.  I don’t believe each event is classified as a suicide attempt, though, I think it is more towards inflicting pain on themselves vs taking their lives.  I havent done much reading in this area.
I may get hammered for missing the mark on that one
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« Reply #39 on: April 18, 2007, 12:03:22 AM »
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As far as severely mentally distressed people go, I wouldn’t know how much communication would be best for them, I am not a doctor.  If they are allowed more time on the phone there must be a reason.  It must assist with or accelerate their recovery I would imagine.

No, Patient's Rights. Ring a bell?
You can't hold people incommunicado in the 'real' world without proving it's in their best interest.

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Communication was tough but we understood that they were trying to keep their world small and focused on themselves.


Doesn't cut the mustard in a mental health facility.
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Massachusetts law defines the rights of mental-health consumers in state facilities with respect to mail, visits, and telephone calls as follows:

  Any mentally ill person in the care of the department....... shall be provided with stationery and post-age in reasonable amounts and shall have the right to have his letters forwarded unopened to the governor, to the commissioner, to his personal physician, his attorney, his clergyman, to any court, to any public elected official and to any member of his immediate family. The superintendent may open and restrict the forwarding of any other letters written by said person when in said person's best interest.

A mentally ill person has the right to be visited at all reasonable times by his personal physician, his attorney, and his clergyman, and the right to be visited by other persons unless the superintendent determines that such a visit... would not be in the best interest of the mentally ill person and incorporates a statement of the reasons for any denial of visiting rights in the treatment record of said person.   In addition....a mentally ill person in the care of the department shall have....reasonable access to telephones to make and receive confidential calls.....provided, however, that....[this right] may be denied for good cause by the superintendent or his designee and a statement of the reasons for any such denial entered in the treatment record of such a person.2

The DMH Human Rights Handbook makes clear that restrictions of rights must be based on specific, documented clinical judgments made in the here and now, not blanket presumptions based on diagnostic categories or historical generalizations:

The determination to restrict any of these rights is a clinical decision, made by the head of the facility (or designee) in order to avoid serious harm to the consumer or for other good reason in the consumer's best interest. Unless this explicit determination is made for the particular consumer, there may be no restriction. Restrictions should be as limited as possible and still avoid harm to the consumer, and should not occur if there is an alternative, less restrictive way of avoiding the harm.4

 Mental health facilities generally assert a duty to prevent residents from harming others. Advocates counter that clinicians do not have a duty to protect third parties from emotional harm and that they have a duty to address behavioral issues raised by the exercise of rights through therapy rather than through control mechanisms.
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« Reply #40 on: April 18, 2007, 12:08:02 AM »
Once again we see Who-boy's ass thoroughly whipped by Deborah. Who-boy must be a glutton for punishment, why else would he keep on??  :rofl:
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« Reply #41 on: April 18, 2007, 12:12:35 AM »
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I am not familiar with all the laws but I would lean them more towards a boarding school than an RTC, but that is my opinion. I’ll leave the definition up to the state.

Wrong. Let's take a look at what ASR has to say on the matter.

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The Academy at Swift River is a private college preparatory therapeutic boarding school located in western Massachusetts. Swift River fosters personal growth and healthy self-expression in adolescents, inspires academic excellence, and teaches individual responsibility and service to others.


http://www.swiftriver.com/

No confusion there. Of course when the state did show up all the sudden things changed.

http://cafety.org/index2.php?option=com ... f=1&id=279

Apparently when children services came in and investigated ASR several years ago (and found a few violations while there) they wondered why ASR was acting like a RTC but wanting to be classified as a traditional boarding school. Interesting to note while there they made mention that the counselors could not restrict communication in any way without a court order. I guess they havent gotten around to implementing that change yet huh Cindy?
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« Reply #42 on: April 18, 2007, 12:12:49 AM »
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I am not familiar with all the laws but I would lean them more towards a boarding school than an RTC, but that is my opinion.  I’ll leave the definition up to the state.


As HLA is finding out, you can "lean" 80* toward a boarding school, but if you are warehousing kids 24/7 and providing them mental health services, you are required to be licensed. Hopefully it's just a matter of time before the right group of people come together to make this happen at ASR.
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« Reply #43 on: April 18, 2007, 12:14:28 AM »
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Doesn't cut the mustard in a mental health facility. ………Any mentally ill person in the care of the department…..


This is why I say the right law needs to be looked at and compared to the school.  I don’t think this is the right law to compare.  ASR isn’t classified as a Mental health facility and the children are not classified as mentally ill.
I appreciate the effort of posting the law, but it doesn’t apply here, the same as it doesn’t apply to a local high school or college.

The classification of the school (as defined by the state) needs to be identified and then the correct law needs to be applied.
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« Reply #44 on: April 18, 2007, 12:16:36 AM »
Do u know if ASR has any connection to destisto?
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