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FaceKhan:
I think that Cartisano may have run a program in Puerto Rico or Samoa that had some connection to TeenHelp but you are certainly correct in that they are totally seperate entities.



I think that there is a misunderstanding about the nature of the boot camps we are talking about. The boot camps and wilderness programs we are talking about are privately run programs that parents send their kids to. They are not taking judicial referals or at least most of them don't. You are thinking about the state run bootcamps and private/public programs that are mostly for juvenile and young offenders who opt-in to the programs in most cases, although in some juvenile cases I believe they have been forced into it without any option at regular confinement. These programs are often troubled as well and have had a couple of fatalities, in addition to several instances of abusive guards and forced marches resulting in death or injuries.

[ This Message was edited by: FaceKhan on 2002-02-07 17:52 ]

FaceKhan:
But you are right, those convicted of crimes can choose jail or a boot camp, then as long as both are run humanely I have no problem with it.

The issue is whether parents have the right to hire people to punish, indoctrinate torture, brainwash, abuse, rape, humiliate, beat, isolate, kidnap, or otherwise harm their kids. I think most people on this list, and quite possibly a majority of the general public would agree that parents do not have that right, that their are limits to parental power over their kids, and that the kids as human beings and citizens of the United States have fundamental rights, and among those rights is the right to be treated with dignity. I would argue that children and teens have the right to not be kidnapped, brainwashed, tortured, indoctrinated, abused, beaten, raped, or humiliated, whether it is supposed to be "for their own good" or not.

jadenjames1:

--- Quote ---On 2002-01-20 19:44:00, Anonymous wrote:
You need to jsut be quiet, have you ever been in jail while someone on your cell block is murdered?  You sanctimonious ass.

--- End quote ---
id rather get murdered in jail then even remember straight.

Antigen:
Well, I can't say I'd rather be dead. But I'm really not sure hearing a murder in the next cell is any worse than being tricked into taking part in driving a perfectly sane boy over the edge.

Anonymous:
Kathy,
You are obviously very ignorant on the Straight story! Until you have walked in my shoes, or even know my story, don't try to tell others what straight was about. You have no grounds to even judge the abuse straight has caused, cause even the internet can only tell a small part of the story. If you want to know about it, I'll talk.
tyler-brindley@hotmail.com
Please understand the sensitivity of this to me, I'm not bashing yer post, I come in peace.

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