Treatment Abuse, Behavior Modification, Thought Reform > The Ridge Creek School / Hidden Lake Academy
Split from Court Ruling Thread
TheWho:
Sh Wrote:
--- Quote --- Im sure Robert will say I am "cowering in fear" by not being here to respond, his normal reaction.
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Most readers and anyone who has taken even a psych elective knows this is more a reflection on himself than on anyone else. This is a typical ploy to direct attention away from ones shortcomings. If anyone here is in business, think about how many people speak this way, calling someone a coward because they didn’t answer a question. Most dialog of this level is left in high school.
People on the business level may speak to “Professional courage” when referring to a colleague interacting with their peers on a specific topic, but if someone resorts to name calling most people keep quiet and allow it to continue because they know he/she won’t be promoted which makes their position stronger as they move up the ladder. (some people even try to get others to resort to name calling in an attempt to make them look bad, Ha,Ha,Ha)
So my advice is to not draw attention to it, it actually strengthens your argument from a readers standpoint
Anonymous:
--- Quote from: ""TheWho"" ---Sh Wrote:
--- Quote --- Im sure Robert will say I am "cowering in fear" by not being here to respond, his normal reaction.
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Most readers and anyone who has taken even a psych elective knows this is more a reflection on himself than on anyone else. This is a typical ploy to direct attention away from ones shortcomings. If anyone here is in business, think about how many people speak this way, calling someone a coward because they didn’t answer a question. Most dialog of this level is left in high school.
People on the business level may speak to “Professional courage” when referring to a colleague interacting with their peers on a specific topic, but if someone resorts to name calling most people keep quiet and allow it to continue because they know he/she won’t be promoted which makes their position stronger as they move up the ladder. (some people even try to get others to resort to name calling in an attempt to make them look bad, Ha,Ha,Ha)
So my advice is to not draw attention to it, it actually strengthens your argument from a readers standpoint
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Wow. Thanks for that psych lesson. Perhaps you should consider employment at HLA as a Peer Group Counselor.
RobertBruce:
--- Quote ---again this has happened....I was NOT saying I agreed with this menu, I was NOT saying I believe this was the actual menu,
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Yes you did, here take a look.
--- Quote ---I didnt see neglect or abuse or harassment, and I still dont feel that sandwiches, soup, fruit, juice and milk constitute neglect...they were fed and nobody starved to death or were malnourished.
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http://wwf.fornits.com/viewtopic.php?p= ... ruit#83239
The only difference between your menu and mine is you seem to be under the mistaken impression that we were given juice. Even with the juice though you seem to whole heartedly support the diet, your argument being because no one died, it's okay.
Here you offered more support for it, although you were still wrong on some the details.
--- Quote ---I had never heard of a child being on restriction for months...thats ridiculous...the longest restriction I heard was a week or two. And it wasnt only cheese sandwiches. And by the way, what kid eats more than 2 boxes of cereal for breakfast? a week of cereal, fruit, sandwiches and juice and water wont kill anybody.
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http://wwf.fornits.com/viewtopic.php?p= ... ruit#82331
You still erronously claimed no child was ever on restriction for more than a week or two, you believed we were given two boxes of cereal when we were actually only given one (except on very very rare occasions) and you believed we were given juice. Again though you voiced your support and your argument that because no one died, it was okay.
--- Quote ---I was ONLY pointing out that Robert portrayed his original post about the daily caloric intake so it would seem they got half of what that list actually is. he stated 600-700 calories. I only pointed out that when you go to the website he posted, to do what he said, verify those numbers, they were actually closer to 1,250 calories. Thats double what he had posted
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And it's still half of what the minimum requirements are for what these kids need. As to my 600-700 claim, I in no way intended to decieve, I simply made a mistake which I corrected as soon as it was pointed out. These things do happen.
--- Quote ---I also went to other websites and looked at what teen caloric intake is considered normal. Depending on age, activity level, the childs body weight at the time, it varied from 1,500 to 2,800.
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Please provide the appropriate links then.
--- Quote ---But, assuming this was the diet, and Robert didnt leave anything out
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I didnt. You yourself acknowledged that twice, minus your mistake concerning juice of course.
--- Quote ---it does seem to need more calories
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Why the sudden change? You were fine with it before?
--- Quote ---But, my point was that Robert exaggerated the numbers to make it look worse than it was.
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Not at all, I made a simple mistake which I corrected. I had no need to exagerate anything. The accurate numbers are bad enough as it is. You on the other hand have exagerated some of your claims, pretending we were given Kellogs Rasin Bran, or juice. Seconds even. Such things were unheard of.
--- Quote --- I was NOT stating my opinion about the diet itself in that post
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No need to, you'd already made your position quite clear. You were fine with the diet, and since no kid died it was fine.
--- Quote --- have to go to work now so I cannot respond to any other posts today, but Im sure Robert will say I am "cowering in fear" by not being here to respond, his normal reaction.
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Have a good day Sanna, I love you.
RobertBruce:
--- Quote from: ""TheWho"" ---Sh Wrote:
--- Quote --- Im sure Robert will say I am "cowering in fear" by not being here to respond, his normal reaction.
--- End quote ---
Most readers and anyone who has taken even a psych elective knows this is more a reflection on himself than on anyone else. This is a typical ploy to direct attention away from ones shortcomings. If anyone here is in business, think about how many people speak this way, calling someone a coward because they didn’t answer a question. Most dialog of this level is left in high school.
People on the business level may speak to “Professional courage” when referring to a colleague interacting with their peers on a specific topic, but if someone resorts to name calling most people keep quiet and allow it to continue because they know he/she won’t be promoted which makes their position stronger as they move up the ladder. (some people even try to get others to resort to name calling in an attempt to make them look bad, Ha,Ha,Ha)
So my advice is to not draw attention to it, it actually strengthens your argument from a readers standpoint
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Ive taken more psych courses then you and I can tell you unanswered questions speaks volumes more than a little name calling.
As does having to make up claims about people in order to deflect from ones own failings and faux paus.
Really though lets keep this in the PM's. This is an important topic were dealing with here and we dont want it to get lost in the usual nonsense.
RobertBruce:
Keeping the ball rolling our MPD friend had some other questions asked of him that he responded with a "no comment" for. Once again in an effort to inform I'll take it upon myself to answer them as best I can. Once again these are the conditions from several years ago, things may have changed but considering recent reports, I doubt it.
--- Quote ---Do Len and Spooner have trouble paying their heating bill?
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Doubtful, they are both well established money wise. That however didnt stop them from accepting the wood that came from restriction kids efforts.
--- Quote ---Also can you detail what consisted of a typical work assingment?
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General upkeep of the school grounds inside and out. On Saturdays the entire population was put to work cleaning the lodge and all the dorms. Work assingments also entailed almost all landscaping work, and any monotonus tasks that could be found. Moving rocks/rail road ties. There were also a great deal of building projects done around the entire campus.
--- Quote ---How about what the menu was like while on restriction?
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See previous postings.
--- Quote ---What was the menu like while on an intervention?
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It vaired. What you have to remember is that interventions were reserved when we really pissed them off. They were generally sprung with any sort of notice or warning. The crime which you committed could sometimes effect your menu, as for some crimes if it was bad enough, they sent you out right away. If it was a intervention that had been planned the menu consisted of typical camping food (freeze dried foods, beans, pasta, et cet.) and water purification tablets. Each kid was also given a large bag of granola to carry as well. The problem that arises comes from as I said you had to have really pissed them off in order to be sent out on an intervention. Because they were so pissed off you werent coming back anytime soon. If it was something they caught you in, say having sex for example, you could expect to be gone for several weeks. If on the other hand they just suspected you having done something, but you hadnt, you were staying out there until you acknowledged your guilt. This presented a problem in that you had a limited amount of food going out, and they werent eager to resupply you. That's where your granola came in, once you were out of regular food that granola had better last, cause you were staying out there until you said what they wanted to hear. For kids who were sent out immediatly after being caught (again someone having sex, runaway et cet) they might end up with only the granola and the purification tablets.
--- Quote ---Can you link to the CPS reports that show no abuse was found?
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Apparently he cannot. He claims CPS came out to HLA many times and that he saw the reports each time, as of yet however he has provided no reports for us to view.
--- Quote ---Does HLA ever hide kids away for visitors?
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Quite frequently. This was generally done on days like "ed con" day, where the school would be spruced up from top to bottom and palatable food would be served in the cafeteria. The kids who were deemed..... "unfavorable" were sent away like lepers. There's been mention made of these these kids being allowed to go on fishing trips or play softball, nothing could be further from the truth. Those kids were sent to restrictions until such time as the visitors left.
--- Quote ---What if the plantiffs focus on claims other than abuse?
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Either way theyre screwed.
--- Quote ---Did HLA choose to file for licensure on their own or was it forced on them?
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Oh undeniably forced. They may try and embrace it now and try and reap the rewards, but they fought it tooth and nail. Swore up and down to the state for years their primary purpose was on education. Advertised quite differently but thats okay. They seem to be putting on a brave face about the whole thing but they are furious that not only did a group of "disgruntled ex students, parents and employees" get the better of them and force this on them, but now theyve got to implement all sorts of changes theyd rather not. Hold on a little longer kids, that license is coming soon!
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