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Anne Bonney:
--- Quote from: "Whooter" ---Sorry to burst your bubble Anne... Read it and weep:
The following Study was presented at the Annual Convention of the
American Psychological Association at New Orleans, Louisiana, August, 2006 .
The study covered about 1,000 kids who graduated from programs and parents of the kids.
There was an independent Board which approved the research and audited the study for any conflicts of interest.
Link to Study
So now are you ready to accept that you have stated in the past that Programs help the majority of kids and that you embellished your own story here on fornits at times just to win an argument?
You know you cant win if you challenge me to provide the link.
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Well, off the top of my head (I've only read to page 3 so far).....it says that it was conducted between 2003 - 2005 and was presented in August of 2006. Does not a longitudinal study make, which is a major point that we've been trying to get through your head for a few years now.
But nice try. I'll get back to you after I've read it all the way through. ;) :seg:
Whooter:
--- Quote from: "Anne Bonney" ---….Does not a longitudinal study make, which is a major point that we've been trying to get through your head for a few years now.
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A few years ago we would hear: “We want proof, show us that programs work”. So various posters provided them with first hand accounts of kids who did well and were set back on a healthy path.
Then they said: ”Well, first hand accounts don't mean squat, the kids could have been brainwashed, we want to see studies”. So we provided them with studies which showed 60 - 80% of the kids succeed in programs and they said “Ha,Ha they are not accurate!! You call that a study? Ppsssfftt…They are merely internal studies. They could have just made that stuff up!”
Then we provided external studies which showed programs to be better than 80% effective and they said: “The studies are no good!! One of the people on the studies use to work in the Troubled Teen industry!!!” Ha,Ha “The entire effort is negated.”
So we provided them with Independent studies which show programs to be 80% effective in getting kids placed back on a healthy path with third party oversight to insure there were no conflict of interests. They said: "Well…well…. Ooommm…..we want long term clinical trials!!!... yeah that’s it Clinical Trials which cover 5 years out. We don’t believe your studies we want clinical trials!”
Lol.
Sorry, anne, I dont really mean to rub it in, but in all fairness it is good to keep pushing for more and better controlled studies. I think we can all agree that the more studies that are done the better everyone will feel that the information is accurate and feel more confident about sending our kids to these places.
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Joel:
Edited: Wednesday, October 06, 2010
Ursus:
--- Quote from: "Whooter" ---
--- Quote from: "Anne Bonney" ---….Does not a longitudinal study make, which is a major point that we've been trying to get through your head for a few years now.
--- End quote ---
A few years ago we would hear: "We want proof, show us that programs work". So various posters provided them with first hand accounts of kids who did well and were set back on a healthy path.
Then they said: "Well, first hand accounts don't mean squat, the kids could have been brainwashed, we want to see studies". So we provided them with studies which showed 60 - 80% of the kids succeed in programs and they said "Ha,Ha they are not accurate!! You call that a study? Ppsssfftt…They are merely internal studies. They could have just made that stuff up!"
Then we provided external studies which showed programs to be better than 80% effective and they said: "The studies are no good!! One of the people on the studies use to work in the Troubled Teen industry!!!" Ha,Ha "The entire effort is negated."
So we provided them with Independent studies which show programs to be 80% effective in getting kids placed back on a healthy path with third party oversight to insure there were no conflict of interests. They said: "Well…well…. Ooommm…..we want long term clinical trials!!!... yeah that's it Clinical Trials which cover 5 years out. We don't believe your studies we want clinical trials!"
Lol.
Sorry, anne, I dont really mean to rub it in, but in all fairness it is good to keep pushing for more and better controlled studies. I think we can all agree that the more studies that are done the better everyone will feel that the information is accurate and feel more confident about sending our kids to these places.
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Wait a minute...
This study was performed on kids from nine Aspen programs, and the primary author is Ellen Behrens. Conflict of interest perchance? Moreover, these programs are not inherently different from one another to any significant degree.
There were two time points: at admission, and at discharge. In other words, the kids are basically still under the influence of the program.
The study consisted of a survey filled out by both kids and their parents. Some examples of discharge questions are "How do you feel about your experience at this program?" and "Compared to when you began the program, how would you describe your problems?"
There was no control group. There was no independent professional assessment of parent and adolescent self-reports (e.g., by a psych professional not affiliated with the program).
Joel:
Edited: Wednesday, October 06, 2010
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