General Interest > Feed Your Head
"What the Bleep?" and "The Secret"
DannyB II:
--- Quote ---Anne wrote:
You mistake Ursus calling someone out on their bullshit for his feeling "downtrodden".
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Danny wrote:
I did not know that you were qualified to call James, "out on his bullshit".
--- Quote --- Yes James Ray is rolling right along...milking all he can out of weak and gullible people, such as yourself apparently.
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See, this is what I mean Anne because I don't agree with your view, I am weak and gullible. Why do you have to do this, why can't you just state your point and leave it at that. I am not weak and gullible, I did not pay thousands of dollars for sweat lodge weekends nor do I endorse James Rays workshops.
I probably know as much about the man as you, zilch really.
I am not ready to brand the guy a villain, snake oil salesman or milkman.
--- Quote ---That's my issue with those places/people. They prey on the weak, vulnerable and gullible ones. They delve into some deep stuff and most times have no qualifications to do so. It's a money making scam and you're right Danny.....he keeps rolling along, sucking all he can from his marks and not giving a whit about any of the collateral damage he leaves in his wake.
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Anne, you got all of this out of a very sad set of events.
You do understand the average price was $9000.00, not chicken feed. The people who attended were your above average income earners, white collar executives. Supposed to be smart, level-headed folks yet without much common sense.
Who pays $9000.00 for a weekend, folks who have cash and don't care how they spend it.
So no, they are not weak and gullible, they are folks with to much money and no common sense.
Just my opinion, Anne.
Anne Bonney:
--- Quote from: "DannyB II" ---I did not know that you were qualified to call James, "out on his bullshit".
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Sure I am. So are you. Anyone is. It's called an opinion.
--- Quote ---See, this is what I mean Anne because I don't agree with your view, I am weak and gullible.
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No, I think you're weak and gullible because you put your faith in stupid crap like Tony Robbins, James Ray etc., not because you disagree with me.
--- Quote ---Why do you have to do this, why can't you just state your point and leave it at that.
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I did.
--- Quote ---I am not weak and gullible, I did not pay thousands of dollars for sweat lodge weekends nor do I endorse James Rays workshops.
I probably know as much about the man as you, zilch really.
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You sure imply differently.
--- Quote ---I am not ready to brand the guy a villain, snake oil salesman or milkman.
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Ok....I am.
--- Quote ---Anne, you got all of this out of a very sad set of events.
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Ok.
--- Quote ---You do understand the average price was $9000.00, not chicken feed.
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Yeah, stupid people pay big bucks for stupid shit.
--- Quote ---The people who attended were your above average income earners, white collar executives. Supposed to be smart, level-headed folks yet without much common sense.
Who pays $9000.00 for a weekend, folks who have cash and don't care how they spend it.
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And are weak, gullible and in search of the next 'guru' to lead them around by their bank account.
--- Quote ---So no, they are not weak and gullible, they are folks with to much money and no common sense.
Just my opinion, Anne.
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Not to different from mine then. Ok.
Ursus:
--- Quote from: "DannyB II" ---You do understand the average price was $9000.00, not chicken feed. The people who attended were your above average income earners, white collar executives. Supposed to be smart, level-headed folks yet without much common sense.
Who pays $9000.00 for a weekend, folks who have cash and don't care how they spend it.
So no, they are not weak and gullible, they are folks with to much money and no common sense.
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According to the update in this article, the price for the Spiritual Warrior experience was $9,695. As many as 68 people were allegedly crammed into that sweat box.
Within two hours, it became necessary to place a 911 call regarding two folk who had no pulse. By the time emergency help arrived, 19 additional folk also had to be transported to a variety of local hospitals, several even helicoptered off of the retreat site.
This would be a roughly 31% "mishap" rate, presuming an accurate head count. Not due to an act of God; no thunderbolts struck the sweat lodge, no tornadoes carted anyone away. So who was responsible for this, eh? Are ya gonna blame the whole thing on the participants who signed up for this, the "folks with to[o] much money and no common sense?"
DannyB II:
--- Quote from: "Ursus" ---
--- Quote from: "DannyB II" ---You do understand the average price was $9000.00, not chicken feed. The people who attended were your above average income earners, white collar executives. Supposed to be smart, level-headed folks yet without much common sense.
Who pays $9000.00 for a weekend, folks who have cash and don't care how they spend it.
So no, they are not weak and gullible, they are folks with to much money and no common sense.
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According to the update in this article, the price for the Spiritual Warrior experience was $9,695. As many as 68 people were allegedly crammed into that sweat box.
Within two hours, it became necessary to place a 911 call regarding two folk who had no pulse. By the time emergency help arrived, 19 additional folk also had to be transported to a variety of local hospitals, several even helicoptered off of the retreat site.
This would be a roughly 31% "mishap" rate, presuming an accurate head count. Not due to an act of God; no thunderbolts struck the sweat lodge, no tornadoes carted anyone away. So who was responsible for this, eh? Are ya gonna blame the whole thing on the participants who signed up for this, the "folks with to[o] much money and no common sense?"
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Well if I was to take your train of thought, I would just blame James. I can't do that Ursus, why because their is a level of expectation that these participants have some common sense. They are above average wage earners so they must have some smarts.
Ursus:
--- Quote from: "DannyB II" ---
--- Quote from: "Ursus" ---
--- Quote from: "DannyB II" ---You do understand the average price was $9000.00, not chicken feed. The people who attended were your above average income earners, white collar executives. Supposed to be smart, level-headed folks yet without much common sense.
Who pays $9000.00 for a weekend, folks who have cash and don't care how they spend it.
So no, they are not weak and gullible, they are folks with to much money and no common sense.
--- End quote ---
According to the update in this article, the price for the Spiritual Warrior experience was $9,695. As many as 68 people were allegedly crammed into that sweat box.
Within two hours, it became necessary to place a 911 call regarding two folk who had no pulse. By the time emergency help arrived, 19 additional folk also had to be transported to a variety of local hospitals, several even helicoptered off of the retreat site.
This would be a roughly 31% "mishap" rate, presuming an accurate head count. Not due to an act of God; no thunderbolts struck the sweat lodge, no tornadoes carted anyone away. So who was responsible for this, eh? Are ya gonna blame the whole thing on the participants who signed up for this, the "folks with to[o] much money and no common sense?"
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Well if I was to take your train of thought, I would just blame James. I can't do that Ursus, why because their is a level of expectation that these participants have some common sense. They are above average wage earners so they must have some smarts.
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I see. So... the more money you have or earn, the smarter you are? If I was to follow that train of thought, that kinda implies that ... the poorer you are, the dumber you must be. Maybe not.
Disregarding the disposable income issue for the moment, just what ARE you implying here? That it is totally okay for any huckster to come up with any newage "spiritual" experience they want, regardless of any consequences or common sense safety issues, and regardless of whether or not they know what the heck they are doing, and that it is completely up to the participants to protect themselves?
You state that there is "a level of expectation that these participants have some common sense." Isn't there also a level of expectation that the facilitators of these experiential exercises have common sense, if not more so, given that they claim to be the "professional experts," are paid handsomely for that expertise, and are the ones in charge of the whole affair?
Why do you fault the participants for not having enough common sense, yet not the facilitators or owners of these LGATs?
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