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Deborah:

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--- Quote ---No one was talking about the accuracy of the records.  Lets say you had a system which collected very detailed information about each child?s medical history, while at the school, and the state requires you to record the information using their software or their methods which many of us know that state record keeping can be antiquated.  You would have to abandon the system you have now for a less effective one.  By the time the state gets around to reviewing and approving your system (if they even allow it) most places would just adopt the inferior system just to comply and move on.
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More irrelevant Blather. Now the state's going to come in can change the program's computer software.  :rofl:  Can you cite one instance in which this has been the case. And it has to be in THIS industry, not some irrevelant, "it sometimes happens in the auto industry" scenario? To my knowledge, a kids medical records only have to be contained in their file when the inspector arrives to conduct their review of the program. Programs self report incidences on forms they download from the state website.


--- Quote --- Any facility that warehouses kids 24/7 must ensure those kids receive an education. They certainly don't want the kids attending the public schools in their districts- must keep them contained in the bubble to protect the illusion. Therefore they must provide some semblance of education.
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--- Quote from: ""TheWho"" ---This is precisely why many of these schools don?t seek licensing.  I know I wouldn?t want to have the school put my kids into the local public school system?.these are the type of requirements that antiquated regulation can impose and drag a school back to the 19th century.  Many of these students are preparing to enter some of the top schools in the country, state requirements don?t always target these kids needs.
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Hey, nutjob. You're more full of shit than a Xmas turkey. The state NEVER requires programs to send kids to public schools, unless they aren't offering academics. They might also require it if the education being provided by the program does not meet BOE requirements. If you know something different, cite it. I'd be interested to read it.


--- Quote ---I want you to look at the larger picture, Deborah, regulation has value and protects the public from the most inferior school systems and programs (maybe HLA fell below the standards I don?t have knowledge of that detail), but for those who are trying to excel and provide kids with something different and better than local school systems inviting the state in to design your system is nuts.
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I already see a much bigger picture than you are capable of or will allow yourself to see. Programs need to be licensed. Period. "Trying to Excel" isn't good enough. The state doesn't come in and Re-design programs. They mandate some very basic guidelines that will assist (not insure) that kids are treated more humanely and ethically. They probably wouldn't even notice or care that the so-called 'therapy' at HLA and most other programs isn't evidence-based, so long as they had licensed professionals on staff.


--- Quote from: ""TheWho"" ---If I was on welfare, sure I would want the state involved to provide my kids with an education, hot lunch, medications and a check each month.  Its great for that and I am proud to pay into that each month. But many of these parents are looking for much more than that and the state doesn?t necessarily raise the bar or have a good track record when it comes to protecting kids.
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Nor do programs. Did you hear about the latest death? At AEGs Lone Star Expeditions? Did you add that one to your statistics? These incidents need to be reported so the ineffective and dangerous nature of programs can finally be shown with hard stats. That won't happen until all programs are under the jurisdiction of their state licensing agency. Sure as hell can't depend on NATSAP or JCAHO or SACS or the EdCons to compile that data.

Yeh, parents want more, and boy are 'some' surprised when they find out they're paying "Harvard tuition" for an unlicensed program with no outside monitoring, 'experimental therapy', staff without proper credentials, and antiquated and abusive BM techniques- that would land a parent in jail if they did the same at home.
They kinda look like this.  :o Then this.  :flame:

TheWho:

--- Quote --- The state NEVER requires programs to send kids to public schools
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I Never said they did,  You brought it up I didn?t.  I wouldn?t want the school to send my child off to the local public school all day, with the bullying, safety issues etc.


--- Quote --- Nor do programs. Did you hear about the latest death? At AEGs Lone Star Expeditions? Did you add that one to your statistics?
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Whenever people here are at a loss about how to respond they say ?Oh, kids are dying in these places!  Didn?t you hear??? this as a scare tactic to parents???what you fail to mention is the kids are much safer in a TBS than anyplace else.  Thousands of kids are dying needlessly every year because the local school system, families and/or local support systems are failing them.  Schools (TBS?s) are set up to help these kids and provide a safe environment which they do and they are very effective ?? I think we would like to be able to save them all but we cant, there is no magic cure.

Deborah:

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--- Quote --- The state NEVER requires programs to send kids to public schools
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I Never said they did,  You brought it up I didn?t.  I wouldn?t want the school to send my child off to the local public school all day, with the bullying, safety issues etc.
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What, do you think people can't remember what you posted earlier this morning:
This is precisely why many of these schools don?t seek licensing. I know I wouldn?t want to have the school put my kids into the local public school system?.these are the type of requirements that antiquated regulation can impose and drag a school back to the 19th century.

Perhaps someday, sooner than later, we'll have the hard data to show parents that their kids will be no safer in bubble programs that cost 6 grand a month.

TheWho:

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--- Quote --- The state NEVER requires programs to send kids to public schools
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I Never said they did,  You brought it up I didn?t.  I wouldn?t want the school to send my child off to the local public school all day, with the bullying, safety issues etc.
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What, do you think people can't remember what you posted earlier this morning:
This is precisely why many of these schools don?t seek licensing. I know I wouldn?t want to have the school put my kids into the local public school system?.these are the type of requirements that antiquated regulation can impose and drag a school back to the 19th century.

Perhaps someday, sooner than later, we'll have the hard data to show parents that their kids will be no safer in bubble programs that cost 6 grand a month.
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