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Offline RobertBruce

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« Reply #15 on: March 09, 2007, 03:27:48 PM »
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Don't readers just hate it when THEWHO posts something that is correct and decent?


It happens so rarely it's hard to tell. Let's not allow the trainwreck that is Cindy derail yet another conversation. If you want to kiss his ass please do so in his designated cess pool of nonsense.

That's what its there for, right now this thread is focused on Pinnacle and whether or not they operating legally with appropriate staff.


Your thoughts?
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« Reply #16 on: March 09, 2007, 03:48:18 PM »
Over and over? Stop trolling me Who.
You, be fair. There's no mention of her being a nurse. There are 15 Debra Hansen's listed, how is it that you picked that one? Do you have some inside information? Looking over the list, I see now. Curious why you didn't pick the 'active' social worker?

DEBBIE LYNN HANSEN OGDEN SOCIAL WORK SOCIAL SERVICE WORKER 114817-3503 EXPIRED      
DEBBIE LYNN HANSEN OGDEN ENVIRONMENTAL HEALTH SCIENTIST ENVIRONMENTAL HEALTH SCIENTIST 114817-2001 EXPIRED      
DEBORAH F HANSEN SALT LAKE CITY SOCIAL WORK SOCIAL SERVICE WORKER 117683-3503 EXPIRED      
DEBORAH S HANSEN SALT LAKE CITY NURSE REGISTERED NURSE 3093463-3102 ACTIVE      
DEBORAH S HANSEN SALT LAKE CITY HEALTH CARE ASSISTANT HEALTH CARE ASSISTANT - OBSOLETE 3093463-6201 DEREGULATED      
DEBORAH S HANSEN SALT LAKE CITY NURSE TEMPORARY REGISTERED NURSE 3093463-3104 NULL AND VOID      
DEBORAH S HANSEN SALT LAKE CITY PRENEED PRE-NEED SALES AGENT 3093463-5802 EXPIRED      
DEBRA HANSEN HYRUM COSMETOLOGY COSMETOLOGIST / BARBER 217518-1101 ACTIVE      
DEBRA HANSEN RIVERTON COSMETOLOGY COSMETOLOGIST / BARBER 197295-1101 EXPIRED      
DEBRA LOU HANSEN MAGNA HEALTH CARE ASSISTANT HEALTH CARE ASSISTANT - OBSOLETE 286866-6201 EXPIRED      
DEBRA MAE HANSEN LAYTON SOCIAL WORK SOCIAL SERVICE WORKER 345045-3503 ACTIVE      
DEBRA MARIE HANSEN PRICE NURSE LICENSED PRACTICAL NURSE 282525-3101 NULL AND VOID      
DEBRA MARIE HANSEN PRICE HEALTH CARE ASSISTANT HEALTH CARE ASSISTANT - OBSOLETE 282525-6201 EXPIRED      
DEBRA MARIE HANSEN HELPER RECREATIONAL THERAPY THERAPEUTIC RECREATION TECHNICIAN 282525-4003 EXPIRED      
DEBRA MARIE HANSEN EAST CARBON NURSE REGISTERED NURSE 282525-3102 ACTIVE  

The TRT fits her best, but as I stated, it may not be her.
Even if she happened to be a nurse, she still doesn't meet the requirements.
(b) have a BA or BS degree or equal training and experience in a related field,
(c) have a minimum of two years of outdoor youth program administrative experience,
(d) have a minimum of 30 semester or 45 quarter hours education in recreational therapy or related experience or one year Outdoor Youth Program field experience,
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Hidden Lake Academy, after operating 12 years unlicensed will now be monitored by the state. Access information on the Federal Class Action lawsuit against HLA here: http://www.fornits.com/wwf/viewtopic.php?t=17700

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« Reply #17 on: March 09, 2007, 03:52:31 PM »
Now I'm gonna be inclined to come down there and give you a shoe in the ass, honey.
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« Reply #18 on: March 09, 2007, 03:53:24 PM »
Well with the facts on that settled, who do we need to get on the horn with to get this place shut down?
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« Reply #19 on: March 09, 2007, 04:02:16 PM »
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Well with the facts on that settled, who do we need to get on the horn with to get this place shut down?


I wouldn't waste my time. Just another prime example of how the industry operates. Programs operate illegally and Utah DHS allows it.
BTW, Robert, they are a licensed program but appear to be in violation of several regulations, and those only involve staff requirements. Apparently Stettler didn't confirm their information, just took what they said as the truth. Does that sound familiar?
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« Reply #20 on: March 09, 2007, 05:26:19 PM »
That it does, maybe he and our friend should get together and compare notes.
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« Reply #21 on: March 09, 2007, 05:29:43 PM »
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Over and over? Stop trolling me Who.
You, be fair. There's no mention of her being a nurse. There are 15 Debra Hansen's listed, how is it that you picked that one? Do you have some inside information? Looking over the list, I see now. Curious why you didn't pick the 'active' social worker?


I wouldn?t choose any of them because I don?t have all the facts ? If I wasn?t sure I wouldn?t post anything
I am not trolling you Deborah, I am sorry if it appears that way.  You provided a link to Debra Marie Hansen and you chose to post one of the licenses that was expired over one that was active.  Without having all the facts I don?t see why you would post information at all especially when you are dealing with peoples careers, I don?t think it is right unless the person has been convicted of something and you are trying to protect other people.  Corporations are one thing; they can hire people to protect their name, but you can really hurt a person?s life and career by posting inaccurate information about them

I think you have been looking at these licensing sites long enough to know an expired license isn?t necessarily bad, in fact it usually means they moved up and are licensed at a different level and allow their old license to expire or they moved to a different state.
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« Reply #22 on: March 09, 2007, 05:43:29 PM »
Pinnacle is non profit. Does this require some sort of board to decide what the directors salary is?
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« Reply #23 on: March 09, 2007, 06:33:50 PM »
Cindy you routinely claim things to be true without ever bothering to check the facts, as a result of your kind of lies kids are abused.

Deborah is trying to verify the facts concerning this place, if you want to assist her get to it, otherwise move on. It's not as if you contribute anything anyway.
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« Reply #24 on: March 09, 2007, 06:48:45 PM »
After contacting Ken Stettler's Licensing Office--I was referred to the Office of Licensing website:

This facility is licensed as follows:

Facility:     PINNACLE FOUNDATION
Site:          Richfield
Website:   www.pinnaclewilderness.org

Contact:   Debbie Hansen, Administrator Phone: 435896-5788

Mail:          80 E 1000 N. #C
                 Richfield, UT 84701

Type:        Initial Probationary
                 Begins 1/1/2007   Ends 9/30/2007

License:   Outdoor Youth Treatment
Capacity:  50    Gender       Ages  13-17 years old
(nothing was stated in "Gender")

LICENSOR:   Jim Jennings

As Deborah stated, this facility is "licensed" but this does not guarantee that that the information provided to the LICENSOR was verified, or that the information provided is truthful.
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« Reply #25 on: March 09, 2007, 06:57:02 PM »
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As Deborah stated, this facility is "licensed" but this does not guarantee that that the information provided to the LICENSOR was verified, or that the information provided is truthful.


How would that work? Woudnt this be something the licensing dept looks into before issuing?
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« Reply #26 on: March 09, 2007, 07:00:42 PM »
So what is the point in getting licensed if it doesn?t really mean anything?  Why do people here push for it so much?
That may explain why these places don?t want to go thru the whole license process or pay into regulation because it doesn?t add value or mean anything.  Is this possible?
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« Reply #27 on: March 09, 2007, 07:07:55 PM »
THE WHO:
Once these facilities are LICENSED...by whatever means:
When the facility is found to be in violation of student's human rights, neglectful, or when the students are physically abused--then guess what?
The LICENSING AGENCY can be forced to revoke the license, and to close down this facility.
Strange how that works, HUH?
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« Reply #28 on: March 09, 2007, 07:13:52 PM »
What "the who" doesn't get is "THE PLACES" don't want to be licensed or regulated.  No one ever said they did.
It is the public that needs and demands licensing and regulation.
Again, "the who" shows his true colors.
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« Reply #29 on: March 09, 2007, 07:20:47 PM »
Quote from: ""Joyce Harris""
After contacting Ken Stettler's Licensing Office--I was referred to the Office of Licensing website:

This facility is licensed as follows:

Facility:     PINNACLE FOUNDATION
Site:          Richfield
Website:   www.pinnaclewilderness.org

Contact:   Debbie Hansen, Administrator Phone: 435896-5788

Mail:          80 E 1000 N. #C
                 Richfield, UT 84701

Type:        Initial Probationary
                 Begins 1/1/2007   Ends 9/30/2007

License:   Outdoor Youth Treatment
Capacity:  50    Gender       Ages  13-17 years old
(nothing was stated in "Gender")

LICENSOR:   Jim Jennings

As Deborah stated, this facility is "licensed" but this does not guarantee that that the information provided to the LICENSOR was verified, or that the information provided is truthful.


Whole thing stinks like a rotten tuna sandwich. What is with this probationary period deal in Utah anyway? Is it like the 5 dollar fee you pay to get into the Captain Crunch Club?
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