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Lazarus:
I don't think my story will mean much to most of those participating here, as I get the general impression that I am a good deal older than most of you. I was also a bit older(I turned 50 this year) than most of you were, when I first went to the St. Pete Seed as well, I believe in 1972 or 73. And, as I recall, I didn't stick around very long either. You'll have to forgive me, but that was thirty years, a lot of drugs and probably a good 10,000 gallons of alcohol ago. I ran from the Seed and continued running until 1996. There were a few brief stops along the way, 75-79 I spent in prison after getting drunk and pulling an armed robbery. A few months after I got out of prison, I finally gave up on the drugs, I didn't want to go back and alcohol was far easier to get. I still had all of the same demons, just a different way to deal with them.

If anyone is interested, I can tell a little more about my mis-spent youth, but it may interest you to know that all of the misery and heartache brought by The Seed, Straight, Art Barker, Mel Sembler, et al. was simply collateral damage or acceptable loss. The Seed and Straight were merely a means to an end for these "founders." There is none so powerful as he who has the control of youth and that is true either figuratively or literally. These men gained enormous power and influence, not to mention a fair amount of wealth and fame at the expense of a generation. Do a search on Art Barker or Mel Sembler, and you might be surprised at results. If nothing else, look and see what the pain and misery a few thousands kids gets people.

[ This Message was edited by: Lazarus on 2003-09-08 00:21 ]

Antigen:
Thanks, Lazarus, for getting it.

I came around to my interest in the Program after probably 5 years of more of looking into drug policy and around 18 years after I split for the final time.

Having looked into the issue pretty thoroughly and read and heard a lot of different people's stories, there are some people who went through the Program with whom I would not want to trade places, not on a bet! However, there are a lot more people who've been subject to some of the Semblers other helpful programs with whom I would definitely not like to trade lives.

If it were all about what happened to me and my family 20 years ago, it wouldn't be that important to me. It's not. I knew how cracked these people were and was happy just to be away from them, even though it split my family. When something in the broader world gave me the creeps because it reminded me of the Program, I always chalked it up to leftover paranoia.

When I found out that I wasn't paranoid after all; the these same people were involved in the most insidious and lunatic aspects of the drug war, that's when I decided that I had to do what I could to get the word out, even though I liked it far better when only I was a little paranoid but the rest of the world was more-or-less OK.

We can easily forgive a child who is afraid of the dark.  The real tragedy of life is when men are afraid of the light.  
--Plato
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GregFL:
Hey lazarius. Nice to hear from you. I am out of the country right now but will be back tomorrow. Please post more of your story, and welcome to our forum....



There never was a good war or a bad peace.

--Benjamin Franklin, (1773)
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Anonymous:
I was put in the seed because somebody saw me as a threat to them when they were in and I was not there. They came to my parents and brainwashed them. These people all claimed they were my "friends" but were rather stuck-up towards me because I was poor. My bill with the Seed wasn't paid off ever. Fake friends before ...during......and now of course they are ALL screwed up on all kinds of things I hear... but I'm clean and sober still. But I don't have one really close friend who understands me. They even put me in Straight Inc. later and I escaped and left the country. I wasn't even abusing drugs. I was working in nightclubs as a musician. I've even talkd with one of these key people who hd me put in the seed and he tried to push dope on me. I had him busted. I don't care what people do, but the Dunedin click of Seed kids were all no good at all. Glad to be rid of the bunch.

GregFL:
And very glad to have you hear. Welcome to The SDF!

Don't you suppose that maybe...after all these years, you could perhaps start viewing those other kids as victims also.....even the Dunedin Seed Kids? Many many children with no drug problems had severe drug problems after the Seed.

go figure....

Those who beat their swords into plowshares will plow for those who don't.
-- Anonymous

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