Treatment Abuse, Behavior Modification, Thought Reform > The Ridge Creek School / Hidden Lake Academy
Latest Suicide Attempt
Deborah:
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--- Quote from: ""Guest"" ---Also, who in the LCSO is qualified to distinguish between a suicide attempt and an incident of self harm? They are two very different things that I doubt the LCSO is trained to know the difference between.
The child may have tried to kill herself, I am just saying you can't really count on bubba from the sheriffs office to be able to make that call.
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Bubba may not be qualified, but I've never heard of cutters slicing their wrists. Cutting is usually in a concealed area. She may have stated as much, if there was a police report.
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You are right. It is usually in a concealed area, but not always, and it is on the wrists more often than you probably think. It is very possible that this poor child did try to kill herself, and that is a tragedy if true. My point is that the sherrif's office is not qualified to make that call. Do we know if the girl was hospitalized? Was the mobile assessment team called in to do an evaluation? If so, what does their report say. If they call it an attempted suicide then that has validity because they would be licensced mental health professionals.
I also would like to point out the hipocracy of this. If someone from the LCSO wrote in their report that HLA handled things with a high level of professionalism and skill the people on this board would be slamming the LCSO as not being qualified to make such a statement, but if they say a girl attempted suicide they take it as the gospel truth.
Again, it may have been a suicide attempt and HLA may have been at great fault. You just can't tell from a police report.
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Is it, or has it ever been, HLAs policy to call the LCSO in cases of cutting?
RobertBruce:
--- Quote from: ""Guest"" ---I may be wrong, but I am not aware of anywhere HLA has said that suicide attempts do not occur. Can you site, and show, your source on that?
Also, who in the LCSO is qualified to distinguish between a suicide attempt and an incident of self harm? They are two very different things that I doubt the LCSO is trained to know the difference between.
The child may have tried to kill herself, I am just saying you can't really count on bubba from the sheriffs office to be able to make that call.
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Here's something interesting to note, you brought up that the LCSO isnt trained to distinguish between cuters and someone actually trying to kill themselves. Here's the thing though, neither are most of the staff there.
Anonymous:
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--- Quote from: ""Guest"" ---I may be wrong, but I am not aware of anywhere HLA has said that suicide attempts do not occur. Can you site, and show, your source on that?
Also, who in the LCSO is qualified to distinguish between a suicide attempt and an incident of self harm? They are two very different things that I doubt the LCSO is trained to know the difference between.
The child may have tried to kill herself, I am just saying you can't really count on bubba from the sheriffs office to be able to make that call.
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Here's something interesting to note, you brought up that the LCSO isnt trained to distinguish between cuters and someone actually trying to kill themselves. Here's the thing though, neither are most of the staff there.
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That may or may not be true now, but in the past HLA sent staff members to a conference on cutters and had a speaker come speak to the entire faculty about this issue.
Anonymous:
--- Quote from: ""Deborah"" ---
--- Quote from: ""Guest"" ---
--- Quote from: ""Deborah"" ---
--- Quote from: ""Guest"" ---Also, who in the LCSO is qualified to distinguish between a suicide attempt and an incident of self harm? They are two very different things that I doubt the LCSO is trained to know the difference between.
The child may have tried to kill herself, I am just saying you can't really count on bubba from the sheriffs office to be able to make that call.
--- End quote ---
Bubba may not be qualified, but I've never heard of cutters slicing their wrists. Cutting is usually in a concealed area. She may have stated as much, if there was a police report.
--- End quote ---
You are right. It is usually in a concealed area, but not always, and it is on the wrists more often than you probably think. It is very possible that this poor child did try to kill herself, and that is a tragedy if true. My point is that the sherrif's office is not qualified to make that call. Do we know if the girl was hospitalized? Was the mobile assessment team called in to do an evaluation? If so, what does their report say. If they call it an attempted suicide then that has validity because they would be licensced mental health professionals.
I also would like to point out the hipocracy of this. If someone from the LCSO wrote in their report that HLA handled things with a high level of professionalism and skill the people on this board would be slamming the LCSO as not being qualified to make such a statement, but if they say a girl attempted suicide they take it as the gospel truth.
Again, it may have been a suicide attempt and HLA may have been at great fault. You just can't tell from a police report.
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Is it, or has it ever been, HLAs policy to call the LCSO in cases of cutting?
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It has not been their policy in the past, though it may be now that they have to go by state regulations. HLA would often have a police officer trasport a child in case of hospitalization.
RobertBruce:
I'm sure thats true, let me ask you this though. Since HLA likes to pretend that no kid has ever tried to kill themselves while at HLA doesnt that push staff towards declaring any suicide attempt as simply "cutting". What about the girl who hung herself?
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