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Offline TheWho

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« Reply #30 on: February 16, 2007, 10:16:14 PM »
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So you cant back up your claim (yet again) and you feel double standards are okay for you to use?

I told you,  you were nothing more than an arrogant asshole.


now clean yourself up and get back out there and bother some more people we need you, damit!!
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« Reply #31 on: February 16, 2007, 10:18:28 PM »
Oh theres no tears Cindy, again its just me being honest.


So for the record you are acknowledging that you believe all TBS's to be good and no children to have ever been abused at any of them?

A simple yes or no will suffice.
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« Reply #32 on: February 16, 2007, 10:19:55 PM »
You need me? Cindy Im the one hurting your paycheck remember?

Just out of curiosity Cindy and in all seriousness; are you by any chance Mormon?
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« Reply #33 on: February 18, 2007, 11:52:23 AM »
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Do you honestly think I would use the phrase "peaches and cream" without being facetious?

I went to school in the 1970s in a small town in the middle of no where. I did not attend school in a ghetto, which I am sure would be much different. The point that you missed is that the kids in programs tend to come from middle class families. They are not inner city kids in these programs. If they were, there would be more violence, riots, and escapes at these programs.

The point is there is no valid comparison between PS and programs. You're comparing onions and oranges.

Good point AA -- I think this would mostly explain the difference or lack of homicides in TBS's but I think the suicide rates would be spread out throughout all regions (inner city and suburbia).  Maybe higher in the suburbs, who knows.  My daughter had a kid in her peer group from an inner city public school, but this may not be the norm.
So I don?t think the homicide stats will raise an eyebrow among parents because most are not concerned with their child being killed but more that their child will die as a result of the "at risk behavior" they are involved with.  But the suicide rates should provide a benchmark that could be followed over time and maybe lead parents toward or away from specific TBS's.


uthorities yank youths from unsafe corrections facility

By Carol Kreck, Staff Writer

April 4 - The state of West Virginia was so concerned about the reports of abuse and a suicide at the Brush youth corrections facility that it made plans to send the governor's plane to pick up their residents.

Meanwhile, several other states with young offenders housed at the embattled High Plains Youth Center were making plans to either pull their residents or investigate the charges for themselves.

West Virginia did not even wait to learn if High Plains lost its license before officials there notified Colorado authorities of their intentions.

"West Virginia has notified us they're going to send out a plane,'' said Dwight Eisnach, spokesman for the state department of human services. "They have 15 and will take them all out. They're making arrangements to use the governor of West Virginia's plane.''

Meanwhile, all 40 Colorado youths incarcerated at High Plains were hauled out in a bus at noon Thursday and distributed among state-run youth detention centers.

Administrators at the for-profit detention center had until Friday to show why the Colorado Department of Human Services shouldn't revoke the facility's license, which would effectively shut down the facility to 115 boys from other states.

Rebound, the privately held Denver-based corporation that runs High Plains, delivered a response to Human Services executive director Barbara McDonnell late Friday afternoon explaining how they propose to be held accountable, said Rebound spokesman Tom Schilling.

There wasn't enough time on Friday for the department to review the document and make a decision, according to Eisnach.

Whether High Plains keeps its license may be irrelevant, since other states and municipalities are following Colorado's lead without waiting for a license revocation.

Nebraska, which has five kids at High Plains, was trying Friday afternoon to work out a deal with Colorado Division of Youth Corrections Director Jerry Adamek to take their kids on a short-term basis. "We're trying to find a place for them,'' Eisnach said.

Michigan is sending out an assessment team to do its own audit of the facility, he said, and "Connecticut has notified us of their concerns, but they haven't read the report yet.''

Released Wednesday, the report followed an investigation into the facility and a death by suicide there of 13-year-old Matthew Maloney of Utah on Feb. 22. It's a blistering indictment of High Plains, citing a child-abuse report rate so high that Morgan County Social Services hired a full-time worker to investigate the allegations.

As an outgrowth of the "positive peer culture'' system used at High Plains, a group of offenders called the Cougars seemed to have the run of the facility, the report said.

Staff were inadequately trained, and the staff-to-student ratio sometimes was in violation of licensure requirements. The night Maloney hanged himself, the ratio was 1 to 44 when it should have been 1 to 20, according to the report. Though Rebound officials claim more adults were in the building at the time, child-care license administrators say adult bodies don't count unless they're truly supervising youths.

In a criticism related directly to Maloney's suicide, High Plains administrators knew he had talked about killing himself - he even told them how he would do it - but warnings to keep a special eye on the boy apparently weren't conveyed to night staff.

Maloney had complained of a headache that night so staff skipped the child-care licensing requirement that workers checking on a youth's well-being actually are able to see his skin. In Maloney's case, staff checked every five minutes, but they were only checking on a lump of clothes he'd formed in the shape of a body under his bedspread.

In the meantime, he tied his bedsheets around a toilet, looped them over a shower stall and locker and hanged himself behind the locker, a spot hidden from checks through the window in his door.

Rebound operates other facilities for youths in Colorado: Grand Prairie, a facility smaller than High Plains outside Colorado Springs; the Mount Falcon boot camp at Pueblo; a group home called Adventures in Change in Denver; and they run the orientation and assessment program at Lookout Mountain Youth Services Center, a staterun facility.

The state has no plans to shut down any other Rebound facilities, Eisnach said.

Denver Post, April 4, 1998

http://www.suicidereferencelibrary.com/test4~id~570.php
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« Reply #34 on: February 18, 2007, 11:55:23 AM »
Here is a better article on youth suicide:

http://www.suicidereferencelibrary.com/ ... d~1290.php
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« Reply #35 on: February 18, 2007, 01:06:23 PM »
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Here is a better article on youth suicide:

http://www.suicidereferencelibrary.com/ ... d~1290.php


Good find, AA......  Looks like these lock down facilities need a spot light
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« Reply #36 on: February 18, 2007, 01:18:25 PM »
Theyre all lock down facilites idiot.

Now answer the question.
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« Reply #37 on: February 18, 2007, 01:49:07 PM »
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A couple more:

In a PS kids are exposed to violence
In a TBS they are not

In a PS kids are exposed to Drugs
In a TBS they are not

In a PS kids are ridiculed by teachers and other kids for being different
In a TBS they are not

In a PS kids parents can typically only get updates on their child?s development a few times a year
In a TBS parents get weekly updates.

In a PS kids are given detention (held after school against their will) for breaking the rules.
In a TBS they are not but are given writing assignments instead  or more constructive ways to spend their time.


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DannyB on the internet:I CALLED A LAWYER TODAY TO SEE IF I COULD SUE YOUR ASSES FOR DOING THIS BUT THAT WAS NOT POSSIBLE.

CCMGirl on program restraints: "DON\'T TAZ ME BRO!!!!!"

TheWho on program survivors: "From where I sit I see all the anit-program[sic] people doing all the complaining and crying."

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« Reply #38 on: February 18, 2007, 03:44:22 PM »
Would it be possible to change Cindy's from "Troll o Meter" to "Raging dumbass o meter"?
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« Reply #39 on: February 18, 2007, 03:49:21 PM »
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Quote from: ""TheWho""
A couple more:

In a PS kids are exposed to violence
In a TBS they are not

In a PS kids are exposed to Drugs
In a TBS they are not

In a PS kids are ridiculed by teachers and other kids for being different
In a TBS they are not

In a PS kids parents can typically only get updates on their child?s development a few times a year
In a TBS parents get weekly updates.

In a PS kids are given detention (held after school against their will) for breaking the rules.
In a TBS they are not but are given writing assignments instead  or more constructive ways to spend their time.

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You have been doing this so long you dont see it !!!...Love this... just reinforces what many of us think ......that any opposing argument is met with "Oh, they don?t agree, He/she must be a troll   !!!"....Ha,Ha,Ha,  I wont appologize for not being in line with the group think and refuse to have my answers approved before posting.
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« Reply #40 on: February 18, 2007, 03:53:37 PM »
Youve had this explained to you before. Just because you didnt get it the first time it was explained to you isnt reason for you to get angry with us.

A troll is not someone who simply goes against the majorities viewpoint. Its someone who purposely disrupts the conversation or pretends to be something they are not for whatever reason (even monetary).

Come down off your fucking cross and stop trying to make yourself a martyr.

Now go answer the question.
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« Reply #41 on: February 18, 2007, 03:59:03 PM »
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Youve had this explained to you before. Just because you didnt get it the first time it was explained to you isnt reason for you to get angry with us.

A troll is not someone who simply goes against the majorities viewpoint. Its someone who purposely disrupts the conversation or pretends to be something they are not for whatever reason (even monetary).

Come down off your fucking cross and stop trying to make yourself a martyr.

Now go answer the question.


Ha,Ha,Ha,  



Not until you get the questions approved first....  you could be a troll.
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« Reply #42 on: February 18, 2007, 04:02:43 PM »
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Would it be possible to change Cindy's from "Troll o Meter" to "Raging dumbass o meter"?


Not unless you want to crash the server.

Oh yeah, standard warning time:

PARENTS! The above poster wants control of YOUR children!
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« Reply #43 on: February 18, 2007, 04:04:24 PM »
Its nice that you find your cowardice to be funny, if you cant laugh at yourself who can you laugh at right Cindy?

Here's the thing though:



Quote
Sure, I never pass on an honest question, there have been a ton of posts lately, go ahead....


There's you Cindy.

So now youre faced with a dilemia, you can either own up to your own position and statement

or

You can be a coward and a weakling.

No deal neccesary but slam away if it helps you.
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« Reply #44 on: February 18, 2007, 04:09:54 PM »
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Its nice that you find your cowardice to be funny, if you cant laugh at yourself who can you laugh at right Cindy?

Here's the thing though:



Quote
Sure, I never pass on an honest question, there have been a ton of posts lately, go ahead....

There's you Cindy.

So now youre faced with a dilemia, you can either own up to your own position and statement

or

You can be a coward and a weakling.

No deal neccesary but slam away if it helps you.


Ha,Ha,Ha,  



Sorry , Bob .....  your trolling..
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