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Carlbrook thread Part 2
psy:
Well... After a very lengthy phone conversation, I've come to the conclusion that Carlbrook is "CEDU lite". It shares the structure, but the severity is toned down. This probably has to do with somewhat more qualified staff.
That being said, it's still thought reform in my opinion. You must accept, or you don't progress.
Info for irvbulldogs72:
General brainwashing:
Lifton's Principles
Ofshe and Singer describe second gen thought reform (us)
note... above Ofshe link just edited... if you clicked it... click again
Workshop information:
Out of the wacky sixties (written by an educational consultant who thinks Synanon, est, Lifespring, and probably Dianetics (Hail Xenu!!!), are the cutting edge of modern therapy)
Ofshe and Singer's APA report on LGATs (est, Lifespring, et al.)
I'd be interested in the similarites between the principles described, and Carlbrook. Thanks for your info. Gotta go study though... I'll be on tomorrow sometime or later tonight.
irvbulldogs72:
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nimdA:
--- Quote ---Okay, my conversation with psy, and some of the things I've read have been bothering me and keeping me up. Well that, and someone posted a random scream image in one of the threads that I was reading around 3:30. My speakers were turned all the way up. It howled like the bejeezus and my asshole's been clenched ever since. So yeah, I'm a little on edge
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chuckles.. That is the scream of tortured children that follows the poster named the Who around the forums to remind him of his sins.
Actually it is a voice segment taken off a porno film involving an acteress named Cream Pie Cathy and Big Ron. The first time I heard it my earns rang for about an hour afterwards.
Excellent retelling of your journal workshops.
What is your impression of Grant Price?
nimdA:
--- Quote ---You go in, there's music and your supporting advisers. You assign yourself a Truth (what is true about me), get a workshop journal (I don't believe these are ever read by staff) and then start learning some tools.
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Where were the journals kept and what exactly are these tools? One of the recurring themes on these forums by program supporters is their children or the program attendant claims to have learned tools. Yet for some reason they have very little success in explaining what these tools are.
Could you elaborate for us?
Also psy is a pretty smart fellow and if he thinks those links are worth looking over I'd say its a good bet that they are worth looking over. I personally tend to rely on my own experience as a staff member rather than academic papers, but then I'm not so very interested in the theory behind it all either. I'm more of a hands on sort that focuses on the practical nuts and bolts of programs.
So in conclusion, give them a read it really couldn't hurt.
irvbulldogs72:
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