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« on: March 21, 2007, 07:29:09 PM »
By JOCELYN NOVECK, AP National Writer Tue Mar 20, 3:44 PM ET

When a California woman recently gave birth to a healthy baby just two days after learning she was pregnant, the sudden change to her life was challenging enough. What April Branum definitely didn't need was a deluge of nasty Internet comments.

Postings on message boards made cracks about Branum's weight (about 400 pounds ? one reason she says didn't realize sooner she was pregnant). They also analyzed her housekeeping ability, based on a photo of her home. And they called her names. "A pig is a pig," one person wrote. Another suggested that she "go on the show 'The Biggest Loser.'"

"The thing that bothered me most was, people assumed because I am overweight, I'm going to be a bad mom," Branum says. "And that is not one little bit true."

It was yet another example of how the Internet ? and the anonymity it affords ? has given a public stage to people's basest thoughts, ones that in earlier eras likely never would have traveled past the watercooler, the kitchen table or the next barstool.

Such incidents ? and there are countless across cyberspace ? also raise the question: Is there anything to be done about it? Or is a decline in civil discourse simply the price that we pay for the advance of technology?

"The Internet really amplifies everything," says Jeffrey Cole, of the Annenberg School for Communication at the University of Southern California. "We have a lot of opinions out there. All of a sudden there's a place we can go to share them." Add to that the freedom that anonymity provides, he says, and it "can lead to a rowdy Wild West situation, with no one to filter it."

"It's all things said reflexively, without thinking," says Cole, who tracks the political and social impact of the Internet as director of Annenberg's Center for the Digital Future.

"My guess is that if you went back to these people, a lot of them would have second thoughts." And if you asked them to add their name, as in a traditional letter to the editor? "They'd be embarrassed."

There are examples everywhere of anonymous comments that cause harm. On even the most innocuous sites ? a parenting message board, for example ? anonymity often leads to the type of response that would hardly be likely if names were attached.

"People post insults on here left and right," one person wrote Monday on the New York edition of urbanbaby.com, a networking site for new mothers. "It seems the common word these posts have is Fat. Just because someone is overweight, fat, thick whatever you call us, doesn't mean we are ugly, lazy or insecure ... So stop the childish remarks."

News organizations, struggling to find ways to keep their readers involved in an increasingly digital and interactive world, are trying to strike the right balance.

Branum's case fueled debate at the Orange County Register, whose Web site had only recently added a public comment section after news stories. OCRegister.com deputy editor Jeff Light says the site has modified its message board, only six weeks old, in response to staff concerns about inappropriate posts. Now, among other changes, language is more specific about what the site expects from those who post, and how a comment can be deleted.

Ideally, Light says, it's the users, not the site's operators, that should determine what is discussed, and how. "The comment area is not a journalistic space," he says. "The point is for people to react freely."

And Yahoo News took down its message boards completely in December, with the goal of finding a new system that doesn't let a small group of vocal users dominate the discourse. "Our hope is to raise the value of the conversation," says Yahoo spokesman Brian Nelson.

Harm can be much greater when people are singled out by name on the Web; such attacks can hurt someone's career or home life. One entrepreneur is trying to help people recover from such attacks with a company he started last year: ReputationDefender.

"It takes one person 20 minutes to destroy your reputation, and it costs them nothing," says Michael Fertik, who employs about 40 part-time "agents" on what he calls "search and destroy" missions against unwarranted Internet attacks. "It can take you 200 hours to try to clean it up."

Fertik, who says his is the only company providing such a service, has clients ranging from victims of unfair comments on dating Web sites to people who feel they've been mistreated on MySpace.com. He also is helping several female law students fight what they call defamatory sexist and racist comments on a message board widely read in the legal community. Their story was reported earlier this month by The Washington Post.

Fertik says he offers "a PR service for the everyday person," charging a fee that can be as low as $10 monthly, for a thorough search of Internet references. The "destroy" part starts with a polite letter and can occasionally lead to threatened legal action. (Generally, Web site operators are not liable for offensive postings.)

One person who takes it pretty much in stride is Branum, the California woman who was unaware she was pregnant until Feb. 26, two days before she gave birth. Her sister had alerted the newspaper to the story. Neither of them anticipated the nasty comments that rolled in.

But, Branum says, "it's America. People are going to say what they're going to say. It's going to be everywhere, and you can't stop it. Anybody's allowed." She says the flip side was the posts that came in defending her ? and the cards and letters from people she didn't know, wishing her luck.

Her fiance was less forgiving, even calling the paper to complain. Branum said she had a simple response for him: "Deal with it."

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« Reply #1 on: March 23, 2007, 01:30:19 AM »
When I first read about Anerican kids locked up in hurricane fence cages, left out in the sun in Jamaica, I thought it was a troll. If it were left to me to decide what's truth and what's slander, I would have deleted it thinking it couldn't possibly true. That would have put a dhill on the conversation and then Fornits readers would not have been in the small loop of folks who heard about the trials and the clandestind film footage broadcast on some evening tv news magazines.

We have to put the filters and censors on your own heads and in our kids' heads and those over whom we have influence. Otherwise, we delegate that task to the kind of people who are drawn to positions of power over others. Remember the kid who was scool crossing guard and hall monitor and who damned near pissed their pants when called upon for whatever kiss ass chore teacher required? Yeah, those people.

If someone denies me a job or friendship or any other faluable connect based on some bullshit they read on a forum? Thank God for the trolls! You guys just saved me the trouble of having to find out by experience that I'm dealing with a fucking idiot!

Or, to put it another way, sticks and stones will break my bones but names will never hurt me. I've found, over time, that the kind of friends you make on that ethos really will have your back if it ever does come to sticks and stones.

And, btw, our benevolent dictators have us headed on a course that sure seems to fit Einstein's prediction when asked about the weapons that would likely be used to fight WWIII. He said "I don't know, but WWIV will be fought with rocks and sticks."
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« Reply #2 on: March 24, 2007, 08:28:36 PM »
Quote from: ""artman11111""
your post stinks of the general decaying nature of our society.You should be ashamed of what this site has promoted when in fact its advertised as a place to learn about and stop the abuse.
You being the chief abuser.
Our hope is to raise the value of the conversation...........Good thing this is not Fornits or Ginger's slogan.
a number of people warned me what a nutcase you were... They were right.Take another bite out of or decloration of independance/constitution,,twist it,turn it,till it fits your agenda.
You are a spiteful little snot nosed little girl

So what's your point, art?

How can you possibly be such a flagrant douchebag??!?!?  :rofl:

So what "has this site promoted"? You don't even know what you're talking about, do you? Your addled ramblings make no sense at all.

Artie, I hear you've got a big pair of them fuckin' sausage tits, is this true??  :rofl:  :rofl: :rofl:

You are clearly the nutcase here art, but you know, this site just be the same without your idiotic, half-baked posts to make us all laugh our asses off!  :bwahaha::  :rofl: ::both::

"decloration" ?? Is that really how you think that word is spelled, you fucking shithead moron???  ::ftard::  ::bwahaha2::
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« Reply #3 on: March 24, 2007, 08:56:20 PM »
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Artie, I hear you've got a big pair of them fuckin' sausage tits, is this true??  :rofl:  :rofl: :rofl:

 :rofl:  :rofl:  :rofl:  :rofl:  :rofl:  :rofl:  :rofl:  :rofl:
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« Reply #4 on: March 25, 2007, 04:52:23 AM »
Ah... yes, this clearly is a thread about nasty online anonymity!

Quote from: ""Antigen's Ghost""
Or, to put it another way, sticks and stones will break my bones but names will never hurt me. I've found, over time, that the kind of friends you make on that ethos really will have your back if it ever does come to sticks and stones.
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« Reply #5 on: March 25, 2007, 01:32:34 PM »
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I think you have illlistrated my point..Thank you

Douchebag says what?  :rofl:

Oh, and Art.. there's only one "I" in the word "illustrated."  :roll: ::bwahaha::
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« Reply #6 on: March 25, 2007, 01:49:21 PM »
Ok, on a more serious note, despite all this juvenile bullshit, online anonymity also allows kids still in programs or still in danger of being sent back and other people who don't know me and other admins well enough to trust us with their identities to leak out information requested by various investigators and to make contact with people who can help them. It allows people who's careers and reputations would be damaged by the fact that they were ever in a program to communicate about it. And, for your entertainment and edification, it also allows program people to show their asses out in the open for all the world to see. If you don't like it, Art, then  ::boycott::
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« Reply #7 on: March 25, 2007, 06:03:57 PM »
Anon posting can bring out thr worst in human nature, just as Televsion can. It is kind of sad that people want to use the last real bastion of free speech to mock overweight women and trade cheap insults in a way that they would be too cowardly to do to someones face.
But then on the other hand those of us in Western countries like the US and Australia are living in a world where civil liberties that used to be taken for granted are being eroded pretty quickly. The beauty of the internet is that many of these liberties have not been eroded. Unfortunately nobody can mandate decency and kindness.
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« Reply #8 on: March 25, 2007, 06:47:53 PM »
Quote from: ""Oz girl""
Unfortunately nobody can mandate decency and kindness.


No, but it's actually more the norm than the exception, except when the majority hold to the fairy tale that it's Big Brother's responsibility, not the individual's. Think about it, the more regimented and authoritarian any group the more mean spirited it's members.
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« Reply #9 on: March 25, 2007, 07:07:10 PM »
Quote from: ""Guest""
Quote from: ""artman11111""
your post stinks of the general decaying nature of our society.You should be ashamed of what this site has promoted when in fact its advertised as a place to learn about and stop the abuse.
You being the chief abuser.
Our hope is to raise the value of the conversation...........Good thing this is not Fornits or Ginger's slogan.
a number of people warned me what a nutcase you were... They were right.Take another bite out of or decloration of independance/constitution,,twist it,turn it,till it fits your agenda.
You are a spiteful little snot nosed little girl
So what's your point, art?

How can you possibly be such a flagrant douchebag??!?!?  :rofl:

So what "has this site promoted"? You don't even know what you're talking about, do you? Your addled ramblings make no sense at all.

Artie, I hear you've got a big pair of them fuckin' sausage tits, is this true??  :rofl:  :rofl: :rofl:

You are clearly the nutcase here art, but you know, this site just wouldn't be the same without your idiotic, half-baked posts to make us all laugh our asses off!  ::bwahaha::  :rofl: ::both::

"decloration" ?? Is that really how you think that word is spelled, you fucking shithead moron???  ::ftard::  ::bwahaha2::

 :rofl:  :rofl:  ::bwahaha::  :nworthy:  :tup:
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« Reply #10 on: March 26, 2007, 07:56:00 AM »
Now that is just priceless! Sausage tit Artie.  :rofl:  :rofl:  I see Artie is making a bigger ass of himself in a different forum, what else is new. Gee Artie, you sure are one dumb sorry ass son-of-a-bitch.
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