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The Carlbrook thread
hanzomon4:
This sounds like being stuck in a 24hr high school.....
Were these sessions common, and how bad did they get?
try another castle:
You think this sounds like high school?
How so?
psy:
--- Quote from: ""Charly"" ---Anne- that adds nothing to this discussion.
Psy- Nothing was really mis-represented to us regarding the therapy. We were given a pretty good summary of what would occur in terms of the number of groups per week and the amount of time he would spend with his therapist (called an Advisor).
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This is significant. Were the "Advisors" licenced? My guess is no. I would guess that carlbrook offers "therapy" on an individual basis (ie. special requests), and "emotional growth" to a group. What's the difference? Legality. In order to call yourself a "therapist"/"psychologist" you have to be licenced in order to do it. Many of these schools are as legalistic as possable about what services they provide... in an attempt to maximize their marketing value to parents... while still keeping within the technical boundaries of the law.
Is it possable the school referred to their advisers/counselors as therapists to you... perhaps.. but most definately not publicly. Thewebsite makes it look like a school almost 100%... Is this sort of thing... honest... to represent a school as one thing, and provide another?
That is my problem with "emotional growth" or "personal development"... if it isn't therapy... what is it?
--- Quote ---There wasn't a whole lot of written correspondence back and forth. While my son was there we communicated by email and phone. Before he was there we visited Carlbrook, met with students and staff, interviewed and were interviewed ourselves. It was not at all certain that Carlbrook would accept our son. He was very borderline.
I believe the removal of all the creature comforts mentioned was a good thing. The things that DID work about the place would not have worked if cell phones, etc had been available to the kids. There were no huge complaints about all that from the kids.
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Not even from your son? What did he complain about then... Surely the school must have had something in mind when the prepped you for "manipulation".
Ok... what things DID work in the place.. in your opinion, that couldn't have worked without such restrictions?
--- Quote ---There was plenty to do and the days were pretty full, except for the weekends which could get boring.
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They didn't have "weekend activities"?
try another castle:
Even if there were licensed therapists, psy, there is always the possibility that they were kept "out of the loop" from the rest of the program, which is common. The fornits user formerCEDUtherapist has talked about that in the past. He/she had NO idea about what went on there.
However, I am speculating with Carlbrook, since I wasn't there. Although, IMO, it seems a lot like a CEDU clone to me, which is something I have always maintained.
--- Quote ---Ok... what things DID work in the place.. in your opinion, that couldn't have worked without such restrictions?
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That's my question as well. I know Karen said earlier in this thread that things helped her son despite the program, so it makes me wonder if what worked was being inappropriately attributed to the program to begin with.
Oh wait, here it is:
--- Quote ---I believe Carlbrook served a purpose for my son and our family. Much of this success was simply due to a fortuitous combination of factors unrelated to the therapeutic structure of Carlbrook.
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Now, to me, this doesn't make sense at all. If it wasn't Carlbrook, then what was it, and why are you crediting Carlbrook for it, Karen?
hanzomon4:
--- Quote from: ""try another castle"" ---You think this sounds like high school?
How so?
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Intense peer pressure, forced in this case...
Being judged by a group of you peers, again it's forced, manufactured, and the dynamic is taken to extremes.
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