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The Carlbrook thread
Charly:
The one thing Carlbrook really did do was work on the parents not to succumb to the pleas to take the kid out. We were told that the kids would manipulate us and would not be comfortable there, and would promise anything to get to leave. It was tough to keep a kid there when he/she was begging to come home or threatening to never speak to the parents again. You got a lot of support for the effort of resisting the pleas.
Anne Bonney:
--- Quote from: ""Charly"" ---KSA1: did you get my emails? was that exactly like Carlbrook, or was Carlbrook softer?
das1: well they fed us fine
das1: and i dont remember it being that cold
das1: but other than that its pretty much the same
das1: and the structure of the workshop is all the same
KSA1: did they yell at you and force you to make stuff up?
das1: yeah
das1: they didnt force anyone to make anything up
KSA1: it sounds like it is designed to brainwash you- but I thought you liked the workshops
das1: i dont know they were ok
das1: but its like the girl said
das1: if you are cunning and manipulative enough it doesnt get to you
KSA1: like you
das1: because you can play the system and not have your reality screwed with
das1: everyone at carlbrook was weak
das1: i just sat there and let them yell at me
das1: its not just the workshop thats coercive or designed to brainwash you...its the entire school
das1: the whole structure and constitution of the place is designed carefully so that its much easier to go along with it and "buy in" than it is to resist - internally and externally
das1: some of those kids are so fucked up no therapy will be effective
Until I can get more info, I reposted this Im conversation.
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hanzomon4:
--- Quote from: ""Charly"" ---The one thing Carlbrook really did do was work on the parents not to succumb to the pleas to take the kid out. We were told that the kids would manipulate us and would not be comfortable there, and would promise anything to get to leave. It was tough to keep a kid there when he/she was begging to come home or threatening to never speak to the parents again. You got a lot of support for the effort of resisting the pleas.
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That seems like a conflict of interest....
They get money based on how long the kid is in program
And if they were abusing kids this "support" would be more to their advantage in covering their hands.
Did you ever hear from parents what the other kids were saying to leave?
Charly:
hanzo- the huge majority of kids who finish (which is most of the kids that start) finish in the 14-15 months originally planned. There really is no push to keep kids longer. I think there is a clear recognition by senior management (based on their own history at program) that the longer a kid is there the more potential there is for "unrest". There appears to be an optimum time where a "good" program kid will really buy in and leave with warm, fuzzy feelings and that has been pegged at 14-15 months. Occasionally a kid will stay past program "graduation" if they have one quarter or semester of high school left, but that is by special permission and is actually not encouraged.
Kids who leave the program early usually have turned 18 and walk, have been too difficult (like my son) or are pulled because the parents disagree with something that is going on (meds management etc)
hanzomon4:
--- Quote from: ""Charly"" ---hanzo- the huge majority of kids who finish (which is most of the kids that start) finish in the 14-15 months originally planned. There really is no push to keep kids longer. I think there is a clear recognition by senior management (based on their own history at program) that the longer a kid is there the more potential there is for "unrest". There appears to be an optimum time where a "good" program kid will really buy in and leave with warm, fuzzy feelings and that has been pegged at 14-15 months. Occasionally a kid will stay past program "graduation" if they have one quarter or semester of high school left, but that is by special permission and is actually not encouraged.
Kids who leave the program early usually have turned 18 and walk, have been too difficult (like my son) or are pulled because the parents disagree with something that is going on (meds management etc)
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Exactly, if a kid's "begging" went unchallenged by the program I doubt many would remain the 14-15 months. My question is why would the kids be begging? What would make them leave after turning 18? What is the nature of this "support" the program would give to parents? I don't get why this isn't being questioned by most parents.....
I remember psy bring up what programs would tell parents if their kid(18?) walked out of the program, abandon them. Was this the case at Carlbrook?
It wouldn't surprise me as this advise seems to be the bedrock of tough-love think
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