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The Carlbrook thread
Charly:
I think Carlbrook was more concerned with keeping the kids so the groups weren' t disrupted and everything ran "smoothly". There was a waiting list, so losing the paying customers wasn't as crucial. Since it was fairly new, there was an interest in building up the numbers of grads who moved on to college, other schools etc.
I'll have to ask about not having anything to say in group. I suspect my kid found things to say just to stir things up.
Charly:
When new kids came in, they started a new peer group up to a cut-off date. I think there were about 12 to 15 in a peer group. They were Greek letters (Alpha, Beta etc)
The parents I saw ranged from totally buying in to one spouse buying in and the other strongly resisting to both totally befuddled. It was very inconvenient for the staff if the parents were always complaining, interfering or calling. I understood that- the staff worked long hours and had a lot of kids to deal with. I thought everyone was pretty responsive to emails, calls etc.
Charly:
I'll have to ask about the bans. I am thinking the answer is no.
psy:
Can the higher level students give bans to the lower level students? My guess is no but Charly will have to confirm that.
I have a few questions for Charly's son:
1. Did other kids break down? If so, how?
2. Did you feel it was wrong to give in to the system? Why?
3. Did staff embarrass people in group, or let people be embarrassed?
4. Were personal issues (sensitive ones) brought out for discussion in group?
5. Were kids ever verbally attacked in group? How common was this?
6. How many of the following did carlbrook do:
--- Quote ---1. Control of communication
2. Emotional and behavioral manipulation
3. Demands for absolute conformity to behavior prescriptions derived from the ideology
4. Obsessive demands for confession
5. Agreement that the ideology is faultless
6. Manipulation of language in which cliches substitute for analytic thought
7. Reinterpretation of human experience and emotion in terms of doctrine
8. Classification of those not sharing the ideology as inferior and not worthy of respect
--- End quote ---
7. What at Carlbrook made people most upset?
8. Did you feel manipulated? Did others?
9. Would you describe some kids at the school as brainwashed?
10. Do you think the methods used damaged some kids?
Charly:
KSA1: did you get my emails? was that exactly like Carlbrook, or was Carlbrook softer?
das1: well they fed us fine
das1: and i dont remember it being that cold
das1: but other than that its pretty much the same
das1: and the structure of the workshop is all the same
KSA1: did they yell at you and force you to make stuff up?
das1: yeah
das1: they didnt force anyone to make anything up
KSA1: it sounds like it is designed to brainwash you- but I thought you liked the workshops
das1: i dont know they were ok
das1: but its like the girl said
das1: if you are cunning and manipulative enough it doesnt get to you
KSA1: like you
das1: because you can play the system and not have your reality screwed with
das1: everyone at carlbrook was weak
das1: i just sat there and let them yell at me
das1: its not just the workshop thats coercive or designed to brainwash you...its the entire school
das1: the whole structure and constitution of the place is designed carefully so that its much easier to go along with it and "buy in" than it is to resist - internally and externally
das1: some of those kids are so fucked up no therapy will be effective
Until I can get more info, I reposted this Im conversation.
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