Treatment Abuse, Behavior Modification, Thought Reform > Facility Question and Answers
The Carlbrook thread
try another castle:
--- Quote ---This does not HAVE to be the case, but I simply don't know how good the current staff is at conducting proper group therapy.
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The system and ideology dictates the nature of the personnel. Changing the personnel will not change the system. The underpinnings remain in place. If anything, the personnel will soon be in lock-step with the program. There will be those, however, who are smart enough to get the fuck out of there, like TSW.
I could get a degree in psychology, and decide that I would form my own TBS that would be "different" from all the others, because of my own negative experience in one. I could hire staff I felt to be qualified, and the outcome would still be the same. Why? Because of the role the TBS plays in society. i.e. it is a tool for the re assimilation of children who were believed to have fallen through the cracks. That equals coercion, because there is already a preconceived notion of what these kids are supposed to be, and it is a one-size-fits-all template. Many schools will say they are helping your child become an individual, but in reality, it is the opposite. They enforce conformity. You're sending your kid to a "fixing" factory. That is the role of every TBS.
It's nothing more than the Ministry of Love.
psy:
Karen. I've been thinking about programs... I think the reason most people on fornits hesitate to recommend any school in this industry, even if there are no allegations of abuse is partially for this reason:
Ever read about the Stanford prison experiment? A bunch of normal college students were selected to participate in an experiment... Some would be prisoners, some would be guards. The guards, slowly but surely, began to "assert their authority"... The situation soon became so abusive that the experiment had to be shut down prematurely... and these were normal, peacenik type people before they became guards...
What happens? Power happens. Absolute power, in the hands of a few, quickly tempts people to take advantage of it. That is the entire reason for the system of checks and balances, in our government and the justice system.
Kids, whose parents send them away to program because they see them as troubled kids (manipulators, etc...)... they make the perfect prisoner. The guards, in this case, know full well that they can do whatever they want to the kids, and nobody will believe them since their credibility is next to nil (and systematically destroyed even further due to inevitable bad reports from the program). Since they control the environment, they also control all the means a kid might collect evidence with. All a kid has is his/her word...
So how is it possable to know if this is not one big hoax, perpetrated by a bunch of rebellious, druggie, fucked-up, manipulative, program-failures-with-a-grudge?
Well to answer that question.. let's ask mister interrogator. Mister interrogator goes and interrogates person A, and then he goes and interrogates person C, and then he goes and interrogates person B. The interrogator does not have to be a psychic. he simply has to look for places where their stories line up...
Benchmark used this technique on a large scale with a "dirt list" that they would make everybody write. They never missed anything. Becuase after repeated interrogations where you were handed back your "dirt list" to re-write it (standard procedure), you never knew what you missed. They got everything, every time, using this procedure...
How did they make sure people didn't "fix" their stories in advance? The same way interrogators do. If 5 people know about something, the first person to break gets a lighter punishment... When the dirt lists were handed back again and again, you never knew if somebody broke. What always happened? Somebody always broke. That person got off easy. So what was it in your best interest to do? Rat out friends (for often ridiculous or frivolous offenses(ie. breaking bans))
So what's my point? When you have kids coming out of these schools year after year, and telling the exact same detailed story... It can't possibly be a lie.
The staff in these programs know full well the power that they wield over people. They know they can abuse it. So inevitably, it will happen.
Many (most) of the staff at these programs are recycled from school to school (most often within the same family of school). They have been in the system a long time... Look at politicians. Regardless of their values coming into office... given enough time and temptation... the power will get to them. It's a universal truth: power corrupts.
The kids in these places have nobody to believe them.. and when you have no hope.. nobody to turn to, no friends... you break. The abnormal becomes normal, and what would once be thought of as abuse becomes "emotional growth".. or "the tools i needed to suceed"... Most kids don't realize the abuse that they have been put through, and many go on to become staff... why? Because the higher you get in the levels, The more ruthless you are expected to be in your reporting of others... as a benefit, you are awarded "semi-guard" status... The higher levels get to taste that power.. and just like the staff.. they think what they are doing is "helping" everybody else... in reality, victims simply become victimizers...
I hope that sheds a little light on things for you.
But i digress.. with that little bit of information, there are still questions here that would be nice to have answered first before commenting on this.
Anne Bonney:
Ok, but I'd like to respond to Psy's post though. I figured here would be appropriate.
http://fornits.com/wwf/viewtopic.php?p=243810#243810
Charly:
There were levels, but they were pretty broad. You came in as a "lower school" student. I think you moved to "middle school" after the second or third workshop if you were not on any kind of "program". There was an Upper School, but hardly anyone made it before they graduated. You had more privileges at each level. I don't know a whole lot about it, because my son never made it out of lower school. You could get demoted back if you really screwed up (like getting caught in a big lie or in a relationship with a girl/boy).
Bans- could last for a few days or permanently. Sometimes bans were imposed very arbitrarily. Sometimes they made sense.
By the way, there were no isolation rooms, physical restraints or anything like that. If someone had psychiatric issues or tendency towards violence, they were gone.
Dr Phil:
--- Quote from: ""TS Waygookin"" ---I have to ask, why would anyone want to improve on the model of such a clusterfuck like CEDU? What is the desire to make a bad thing better? I'm sorry but in mind if that program is broke and busted for a reason then good riddance to it. Lets try not to recreate it and improve on it when the core underlying model is still pretty much the same.
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Monkey see monkey do! Isn't it obvious yet? Anyone, from kid to director who is exposed to this industry fancies themselves an expert and feels they have enough information to start their own franchise. Afterall, no credentials needed, just an appearance that you are like the rest. It's like showing people a room full of gold, shutting the door and telling them to forget that exists. It's easy money. From referring to running a place, you can do it all with just enough experience to know how it works.
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