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« Reply #75 on: January 25, 2007, 07:09:45 AM »
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Couldn't have said it better myself, Gary (although I wouldn't have been so nice!).   :D

Thank you... it's one thing for people who fear reprisals to take the cloak of anonymity, but guys like Sheesh are simply cowards.
Anyone with the most basic rhetorical skills could slice and dice this chump without yawning.

  Yeah! Come on Hyde.  Is that the best you can do?  Show some game.  Gary is kicking you rhetorical asses.  He called you leader, what was it?  Old and feeble?

Hi all you posters. I am a former Hyde parent.  My husband and I had dinner tonight with a former Hyde student.  Ironically she brought up the name Larry Dubinsky the former staff member and present friend of the leaders of Hyde. It is my understanding that he was fired from the school for sexual harassment.  He is also the husband of Donna Dubinsky who is presently employeed at Hyde School.  He lives in a home provided by Hyde up the street from the Woodstock campus.

This former student told us of a couple of incidences that happened to her while at Hyde.  She commented that she doesn't understand how Hyde has been able to get away with this for so long.

She told us the story about how when several students were put on "2-4" (a punishment) Larry Dubinsky as the head of Deans area required them as punishment to go clean the attic at his house.  While up in the attic she said there was a lone chair and surrounding this chair was piles and piles of pornographic magazines.  The kids were in shock that pornographic magazines would be his home not only because he was a staff member of Hyde, but also the fact that he was a husband and a father of young children.

After the kids got done doing the cleaning of his house he then told the girls to go jump in the pool with their clothes on.  The girls were wearing t-shirts and according to her it was normal behavior for Larry to want to see what would happen when one gets wet in a t-shirt.  I don't quite understand why kids who were being punished would then be invited to jump in a pool as a reward???

The other story this girl told us was about having to carry items from Larry's house back to campus.  Donna Dubinsky was driving the van and between  the boxes and the kids there was very little room to sit in this van.  Larry requested in front of his wife that this girl sit on his lap.  Hmmmm.....

This same girl told us how much Hyde damaged her and how she wasted the important years of her life by being at Hyde.  She said that although her Mother was hoping Hyde would help her self esteem, Hyde accomplished bringing her down more although at the present time she is doing very well IN SPITE of Hyde.

I encourage more students to come to this site and tell their stories whether positive or negative.


I don't know Larry D., but if this tale is reported accurately, this is horrendous behavior.  

One might also question whether it was appropriate for a Hyde staff member to ask a student to clean his personal attic.  In my opinion, that's a form of exploitation -- not that I'm surprised that a Hyde staff member would stoop to such unprofessional tactics.  Doesn't that sort of mistreatment violate some of Hyde's touted values and principles?  Might that mean that Hyde is hypocritical?  Hmmm . . .

The Hyde nightmare continues . . .
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« Reply #76 on: January 25, 2007, 07:12:20 AM »
My point is that what has happened at Hyde, especially in Woodstock, has a lot to do with the "Tri-State" elitist attitude.
These parents, a lot like Gary, expected service with a smile and when they didn't get it, would either blow out of the program or push the envelope so far that they disrupted the flow of daily activities.
It isn't happening anymore...Laura Gauld dumped the trash...faculty, staff, families that didn't understand what was going on there and has created the old community that made Hyde famous.  Famous enough to be featured on National Television and in national publications.

Hyde is not perfect and never will be,  there will always be disgruntled customers, just like in any business.  The basic philosophy of character development and unique potential is a proven winner.  And if Gary and Jerri weren't hucked out by McCrann on that fateful day, he'd be an active alumni parent helping out his NJ region....Isn't that right GE?

So I guess you guys can use this place to complain and try to gain momentum to put Hyde out of business...But I truly believe that there's a place for Hyde School.  It really does help more than it hurts.

Sheesh
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« Reply #77 on: January 25, 2007, 08:27:06 AM »
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My point is that what has happened at Hyde, especially in Woodstock, has a lot to do with the "Tri-State" elitist attitude.
These parents, a lot like Gary, expected service with a smile and when they didn't get it, would either blow out of the program or push the envelope so far that they disrupted the flow of daily activities.
It isn't happening anymore...Laura Gauld dumped the trash...faculty, staff, families that didn't understand what was going on there and has created the old community that made Hyde famous.  Famous enough to be featured on National Television and in national publications.

Hyde is not perfect and never will be,  there will always be disgruntled customers, just like in any business.  The basic philosophy of character development and unique potential is a proven winner.  And if Gary and Jerri weren't hucked out by McCrann on that fateful day, he'd be an active alumni parent helping out his NJ region....Isn't that right GE?

So I guess you guys can use this place to complain and try to gain momentum to put Hyde out of business...But I truly believe that there's a place for Hyde School.  It really does help more than it hurts.

Sheesh


First of all, Sheesh deserves credit for taking a reasonable tone and presenting his/her arguments in a more thoughtful manner.  I respect that.

As my paper reveals, I, like Sheesh, find much to admire in the dedication to developing healthy kids that so many of the staff evince on a daily basis.  Without a doubt, my experience there helped me more than it hurt, and I never said otherwise.

This was, however, in part due to the fact that I never allowed myself to be railroaded. Nor did I take my feelings and stuff them in order to fly under the radar, as so my parents- and students- do to get by.

The reason I think a balanced article should be written and widely disseminated is not to destroy the Hyde School, Sheesh.  The question is this: do you believe that holding people accountable for bad behaviors helps their character development?  Do you believe it takes courage to speak truth- especially to people in power- and that those who do so should be commended and not belittled?  If so, why did you take such a sarcastic and rhetorically charged tone in your initial posting?  

Many people go through Hyde who have low esteem issues, who are confused, who are uncertain about the paths they are on.  From what I have seen personally at the school, and from the numerous posts on this site and elsewhere, scores of them emerge from Hyde more damaged than they were upon entry.  Their story- along with those from people like you who are grateful for the time they spent at Hyde- must be told, both to hold the staff's feet to the fire, that they may grow- and to ensure that incoming families have an accurate understanding of Hyde.

Again, I respect your changed tone- it makes true dialogue possible.

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« Reply #78 on: January 25, 2007, 08:27:28 AM »
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My point is that what has happened at Hyde, especially in Woodstock, has a lot to do with the "Tri-State" elitist attitude.
These parents, a lot like Gary, expected service with a smile and when they didn't get it, would either blow out of the program or push the envelope so far that they disrupted the flow of daily activities.
It isn't happening anymore...Laura Gauld dumped the trash...faculty, staff, families that didn't understand what was going on there and has created the old community that made Hyde famous.  Famous enough to be featured on National Television and in national publications.

Hyde is not perfect and never will be,  there will always be disgruntled customers, just like in any business.  The basic philosophy of character development and unique potential is a proven winner.  And if Gary and Jerri weren't hucked out by McCrann on that fateful day, he'd be an active alumni parent helping out his NJ region....Isn't that right GE?

So I guess you guys can use this place to complain and try to gain momentum to put Hyde out of business...But I truly believe that there's a place for Hyde School.  It really does help more than it hurts.

Sheesh


First of all, Sheesh deserves credit for taking a reasonable tone and presenting his/her arguments in a more thoughtful manner.  I respect that.

As my paper reveals, I, like Sheesh, find much to admire in the dedication to developing healthy kids that so many of the staff evince on a daily basis.  Without a doubt, my experience there helped me more than it hurt, and I never said otherwise.

This was, however, in part due to the fact that I never allowed myself to be railroaded. Nor did I take my feelings and stuff them in order to fly under the radar, as so my parents- and students- do to get by.

The reason I think a balanced article should be written and widely disseminated is not to destroy the Hyde School, Sheesh.  The question is this: do you believe that holding people accountable for bad behaviors helps their character development?  Do you believe it takes courage to speak truth- especially to people in power- and that those who do so should be commended and not belittled?  If so, why did you take such a sarcastic and rhetorically charged tone in your initial posting?  

Many people go through Hyde who have low esteem issues, who are confused, who are uncertain about the paths they are on.  From what I have seen personally at the school, and from the numerous posts on this site and elsewhere, scores of them emerge from Hyde more damaged than they were upon entry.  Their story- along with those from people like you who are grateful for the time they spent at Hyde- must be told, both to hold the staff's feet to the fire, that they may grow- and to ensure that incoming families have an accurate understanding of Hyde.

Again, I respect your changed tone- it makes true dialogue possible.

G
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« Reply #79 on: January 25, 2007, 10:08:16 AM »
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My point is that what has happened at Hyde, especially in Woodstock, has a lot to do with the "Tri-State" elitist attitude.
These parents, a lot like Gary, expected service with a smile and when they didn't get it, would either blow out of the program or push the envelope so far that they disrupted the flow of daily activities.
It isn't happening anymore...Laura Gauld dumped the trash...faculty, staff, families that didn't understand what was going on there and has created the old community that made Hyde famous.  Famous enough to be featured on National Television and in national publications.

Hyde is not perfect and never will be,  there will always be disgruntled customers, just like in any business.  The basic philosophy of character development and unique potential is a proven winner.  And if Gary and Jerri weren't hucked out by McCrann on that fateful day, he'd be an active alumni parent helping out his NJ region....Isn't that right GE?

So I guess you guys can use this place to complain and try to gain momentum to put Hyde out of business...But I truly believe that there's a place for Hyde School.  It really does help more than it hurts.

Sheesh


 Go Hyde Go Hyde Go Hyde
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« Reply #80 on: January 25, 2007, 01:47:42 PM »
[quote[Laura Gauld dumped the trash...faculty, staff, families that didn't understand what was going on there and has created the old community that made Hyde famous.[/quote]

Of course I do not have the whole story, but this sounds an awful lot like the purges of old.  It would appear to be a lot healthier for one's body if one approached one's diet sensibly in the first place, rather than having to resort to bulemia.

And since when is being treated with the common deceny afforded any human being such an outrageous expectation?  I don't believe that Hyde developes TRUE character; rather, they foster a rigid toeing of their bylines.  They do not like, nor do they foster, independent thought.  Moreover, the phrase "unique potential" becomes oxymoronic in their hands.

There are an infinite number of pathways to any given point.  Certainly there are some that you would't want to take on moral grounds alone.  And common sense would dictate that a much smaller number than infinite could be considered reasonably feasible for the human psyche to undertake in an ordinary lifetime.  But this is still far many more than ONE.  Hyde does not respect people's differences, and yes, their uniqueness, if you will.  Their rigid intolerance for any approach to life other than one espousing their dictums is STIFLING to the human spirit.  To my mind, it is a stance antithetic to life itself.

For me, for my own life experience, Hyde has harmed me far more than it has helped.  I am hard pressed, actually, to imagine how it could possibly have helped me in any regard other than perhaps sports, which is hardly reason enough to have attended.[/b][/quote]
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« Reply #81 on: January 25, 2007, 02:04:05 PM »
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[quote[Laura Gauld dumped the trash...faculty, staff, families that didn't understand what was going on there and has created the old community that made Hyde famous.

Of course I do not have the whole story, but this sounds an awful lot like the purges of old.  It would appear to be a lot healthier for one's body if one approached one's diet sensibly in the first place, rather than having to resort to bulemia.

And since when is being treated with the common deceny afforded any human being such an outrageous expectation?  I don't believe that Hyde developes TRUE character; rather, they foster a rigid toeing of their bylines.  They do not like, nor do they foster, independent thought.  Moreover, the phrase "unique potential" becomes oxymoronic in their hands.

There are an infinite number of pathways to any given point.  Certainly there are some that you would't want to take on moral grounds alone.  And common sense would dictate that a much smaller number than infinite could be considered reasonably feasible for the human psyche to undertake in an ordinary lifetime.  But this is still far many more than ONE.  Hyde does not respect people's differences, and yes, their uniqueness, if you will.  Their rigid intolerance for any approach to life other than one espousing their dictums is STIFLING to the human spirit.  To my mind, it is a stance antithetic to life itself.

For me, for my own life experience, Hyde has harmed me far more than it has helped.  I am hard pressed, actually, to imagine how it could possibly have helped me in any regard other than perhaps sports, which is hardly reason enough to have attended.[/b][/quote][/quote]

  Anon has shot the single leg take down on sheesh and he is struggling on the mat (just like he used too).  I does not look good for Hyde.  Perhaps Sheesh can tag team?
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« Reply #82 on: January 25, 2007, 03:04:24 PM »
I didn't wrestle, but I'm sure if I did, I wouldn't be struggling!

Sheesh
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« Reply #83 on: January 25, 2007, 05:07:14 PM »
I'm not sure you even went to Hyde, Sheesh.  Your comments have betrayed very little insight and even less information.  Your "take on Hyde" could have been scraped together from anywhere.
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« Reply #84 on: January 25, 2007, 06:44:19 PM »
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HOW on earth can she possibly stay married to this cretin?  HOW?  HOW?  And THESE people dare pass judgement on us?  He probably had those girls clean up his attic deliberately, wonder what THEY had to scrub off the floor!?  I'm sure he couldn't WAIT to ponder THAT one later on!

Seriously folks, these people are low class, atavistic BUFFOONS!  Oh, there is some HIGHLY developed character HERE!  What a piece of work.  Makes me just want to gag!   ::puke::


I am the one who posted about having dinner with the former student.  I was happy to see on another post that she came to this board and posted something herself.  Would love to hear some more stories from her or other students of Hyde.  I think it is important to hear of others experiences.  I have heard from more than a few students how they gave up on trying to get the people at Hyde to listen to their thoughts and warnings about some of what was going on.  No one would listen to them.  Must have been very sad and frustrating for these kids.  I feel their pain.
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« Reply #85 on: January 25, 2007, 07:39:11 PM »
I am the one who posted about having dinner with the former student.  I was happy to see on another post that she came to this board and posted something herself.  Would love to hear some more stories from her or other students of Hyde.  I think it is important to hear of others experiences.  I have heard from more than a few students how they gave up on trying to get the people at Hyde to listen to their thoughts and warnings about some of what was going on.  No one would listen to them.  Must have been very sad and frustrating for these kids.  I feel their pain.

Would you be willing to be interviewed for an article on Hyde? Also... to anyone who had a completely positive experience at Hyde, a question: are you interested in sharing your thoughts with the public as part of this story?

If so, please send me an e mail with your contact information.

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« Reply #86 on: January 25, 2007, 07:45:33 PM »
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I didn't wrestle, but I'm sure if I did, I wouldn't be struggling!

Sheesh


Sheesh-- you're far more effective when you're not trying to be clever.  Be yourself, and don't try to eviscerate other posters.  Not only is it in bad taste, but- if you don't mind me saying- you tend to get confused.  For example, anyone who has ever wrestled- even the best in the world- knows that struggle is part of the endeavour.
Suggesting that you wouldn't have to struggle if you had ever stepped on the mat only- excuse me if this sounds harsh- makes you sound dumb.
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« Reply #87 on: January 26, 2007, 09:12:19 PM »
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[quote[Laura Gauld dumped the trash...faculty, staff, families that didn't understand what was going on there and has created the old community that made Hyde famous.

Of course I do not have the whole story, but this sounds an awful lot like the purges of old.  It would appear to be a lot healthier for one's body if one approached one's diet sensibly in the first place, rather than having to resort to bulemia.

And since when is being treated with the common deceny afforded any human being such an outrageous expectation?  I don't believe that Hyde developes TRUE character; rather, they foster a rigid toeing of their bylines.  They do not like, nor do they foster, independent thought.  Moreover, the phrase "unique potential" becomes oxymoronic in their hands.

There are an infinite number of pathways to any given point.  Certainly there are some that you would't want to take on moral grounds alone.  And common sense would dictate that a much smaller number than infinite could be considered reasonably feasible for the human psyche to undertake in an ordinary lifetime.  But this is still far many more than ONE.  Hyde does not respect people's differences, and yes, their uniqueness, if you will.  Their rigid intolerance for any approach to life other than one espousing their dictums is STIFLING to the human spirit.  To my mind, it is a stance antithetic to life itself.

For me, for my own life experience, Hyde has harmed me far more than it has helped.  I am hard pressed, actually, to imagine how it could possibly have helped me in any regard other than perhaps sports, which is hardly reason enough to have attended.[/b][/quote][/quote]

Like you, I found Hyde far more harmful than helpful.  When I think back on my years there I feel enraged at the unnecessary cruelty I witnessed and experienced.  Now that I have been away from Hyde for awhile and have seen much more of the world, my Hyde experience has taken on new meaning.  It's so much clearer to me now.  I am astonished at how immature and pathetic many Hyde staff were when I was there.  I now see that many of the staff had difficulties in their own lives and probably would have had a hard time building a life outside of Hyde.  Some of the few good staff I knew didn't stay at Hyde for very long, and now I understand why.  My guess is that they figured out what a sick place that school is.  

I feel sick to my stomach when I remember how some of the staff tormented students who clearly had major mental problems.  I know of staff who cursed at these kids.   And these were supposed to be our role models.
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« Reply #88 on: January 26, 2007, 09:58:04 PM »
So, I ask again... which of you- those who had great experiences at Hyde and those who did not- are interested in being interviewed?
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« Reply #89 on: January 26, 2007, 11:15:59 PM »
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So, I ask again... which of you- those who had great experiences at Hyde and those who did not- are interested in being interviewed?



  Hey this is great.  IT would be like Joe's book except Joe would not get to pick the stories.  They could be stories that would challenge Hyde to reach deep, to find it's unique potential.
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