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Requesting Parents' Assessment of Hyde School
Anonymous:
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--- Quote from: ""gary eskow"" ---Gary, I am willing to tell the story of our family at Hyde as long as our names are not mentioned. I have spoken to you about this and feel confident you will respect my privacy.
How about the rest of you posters stepping up to the plate. As long as names are not mentioned there shouldnt be a problem. You are sharing your stories on this website which is public, so there is very little difference putting it in another form of print. One person mentioned a liability issue. There is no liability issue unless you would make up a bunch of lies. I have already checked this out with an attorney.
I enjoyed speaking to Gary and you will too. He is a professional and is respectful of my request for anonymity
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thank you for this... of course I will respect the privacy of any who choose to remain anonymous. If there are folks tracking this link who are unabashed fans of Hyde... please contact me!! We need a balanced overview of the school... the article I plan on writing will frankly address the concerns that many who have passed through Hyde have. But those who look in the rear view mirror and feel that the time they spent there was all, or overwhelmingly, positive, need to be heard from as well.
GE
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Gary,
My writing something would be like reviewing Ford based on a Pinto test drive. My experiance is 30 years old.
It was really instructive to read some of the recent posts. The socialogic post was really interesting. It confirms some of the patterns I observed there. Cohersive Persuation may not be bad in and of itself. If it was used in a controlled manner toward a good end it might not be bad. It was fasinating that people had studied other communities like hyde and had named the social dynamics. The video link that some one posted was intersesting also. Hyde is onion like.
Emil
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Emil, I disagree with you. I think your story is very valuable even though it is 30 years old. I have enjoyed reading your stories and it has helped me to deal with some of the issues I have re Hyde. You have taught me that Hyde is no different today than it was 30 years ago. You are obviously a very intelligent person who has a lot to add about how Hyde operates and to me this is what is important. Does Character Education work? Are Joe Gauld's teaching methods effective? These are all questions that can be answered by talking to people like you who have been through the program.
I have spoken to Gary and I hope you will too because I think you have a lot to add to the story.
Anonymous:
--- Quote from: ""Emil"" ---Cohersive Persuation may not be bad in and of itself. If it was used in a controlled manner toward a good end it might not be bad.
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I disagree.
Although I concede that there may be times when its use is more desirable than the alternative (for example, to truly save someone's life), its use under ANY conditions generates trauma and psychological damage. Hyde does not in any way address this. At some point in our lives post-Hyde, I do believe a great many of us (if not most of us) go through some form of post-traumatic stress disorder.
(BTW, by saving someone's life, I do not by any means imply the circumstances alluded to by "if you don't send your kid to Hyde, he'll be dead by age 25," which is pretty much the stock statement made to parents teetering on the brink of enrollment decisions...)
gary eskow:
Gary,
My writing something would be like reviewing Ford based on a Pinto test drive. My experiance is 30 years old.
Emil
Emil... Possibly, but to the best of my knowledge Hyde has not disavowed any of its earlier practices, and from what I heard very recently, Joe is still given free range to cajole and threaten whoever, whenever he wants to.
Historical continuity would be important. I think you could provide something valuable. Your call, of course!
g
Anonymous:
Here are two excerpts from a piece entitled "Coercive Treatment of Adolescents", by Charles Huffine, M.D. You can access the entire piece via the link provided below.
--- Quote ---Some of my patients are referred to me with a history of having been in a therapeutic boarding school. Once they have come to trust me they will share with me the kind of tales we find on this web site; horrific details of abusive and grossly inappropriate treatment. I have heard these stories too many times. The stories vary however. Occasionally I have heard some positive stories where a youth has been treated with respect and caring in an appropriately run facility, but even then it is against their will. I see very little evidence that even these kids have been helped. The bad stories prevail. I care deeply for youth I work with. I have a strong bias of positive regard for all youth I meet because I genuinely like adolescents. When I hear of mistreatment in facilities that are supposed to care for youth I feel the betrayal and see the harm it has done to my patient. My reaction has been one of extreme anger. This has mobilized me to be an activist in trying to address the system failings that allow these travesties to continue. How could any adult do differently if they are a decent human being and have normal instincts of care and concern for kids? It horrifies me that in our society we can enter into a mass denial that lets these facilities exist.
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--- Quote ---Involuntary residential care outside of such a legal process cannot be therapeutic, no mater how humane and well intended the staff, as it undercuts and essential aspect of adolescent development, the achievement of autonomy. It is NOT therapeutic because the loss of rights does damage to a sense of self. It undercuts the formation of a personal identity. As with restraint and seclusion, it may be necessary to save a life, but it has a very large cost. It represents a failure, or an absence, of community-based treatment. In such circumstances, such active coercion needs to be ended in the shortest possible time, preferably only a few days. Individuals detained, even in a state of psychotic thinking, should be offered trauma support and counseling, similar to what is commonly recommended after an episode of restraint, to undo the damage caused by such coercion.
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http://cafety.org/index.php?option=com_ ... &Itemid=35
Anonymous:
--- Quote from: ""Guest"" ---
--- Quote from: ""Emil"" ---Cohersive Persuation may not be bad in and of itself. If it was used in a controlled manner toward a good end it might not be bad.
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I disagree.
Although I concede that there may be times when its use is more desirable than the alternative (for example, to truly save someone's life), its use under ANY conditions generates trauma and psychological damage. Hyde does not in any way address this. At some point in our lives post-Hyde, I do believe a great many of us (if not most of us) go through some form of post-traumatic stress disorder.
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Yes. Hyde is premised on a naive belief that we have secrets to hide, and success there is measured in terms of openness. But anyone with even a rudimentary knowledge of psychology knows that the most damaging and traumatic events in our lives are often secrets to ourselves, which only a sensitive and competent psychologist can tease out.
Mike
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