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Requesting Parents' Assessment of Hyde School
Anonymous:
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--- Quote from: ""Guest"" --- I am sure he has done well for himself. He was a smart guy. Look at how he manuvered himself into the headmasters job, moved Joe aside, brought in an expert to say Joe had to go then had the old man dumped. It was all very shrewed. The question I have is "Why" It makes no sense to me. Did he have some messianic view of himself? OR was he like that character in the movie "In the Company of Men" He did it as a game to see it he could?
A lot of people from back then love him still. I am not one of them. I just find it ironic that some one that would preach such lofty sermons would end up doing something so quodidian as the front man for a commuter school.
emil
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Emil,
Ed Legg was a Harvard grad, a football star with a law degree, who ended up in a high school and had to teach the likes of us. In that context his revolutionary fervor, political climbing, and prophecies of failure for many a poor boy and girl were probably just his way of dealing (badly) with his own sense of failure, and it's best that he is out of there and unable to influence young adults. My problem with Ed is his complicity. Although his hands were clean of the abuses that were taking place all around him, as headmaster he was in it up to his ears.
On a personal level, I liked the guy. I admired his mind, he taught the only worthwhile course in the school, and he didn't begrudge me a college recommendation that started me off on a good academic footing.
I agree that we should maintain the focus on Hyde, but allow me to share an anecdote about Ed. Three-eyed toad was very potent acid, sold to me by Owlsley, the sound engineer of the Grateful Dead, and each toad had to be cut into at least sixteen parts. Not knowing this, my weird roommate and his epileptic friend stole and ingested an entire toad each. Well, the epileptic went into unending spastic seizures, and my roommate ran around the Outhouse in the middle of the night trying to find a way to commit suicide, and both of them spent a week in hospital, before their parents withdrew them. Figuring the gig was up, I walked over to Ed's office the next day to turn myself in. As I went to pull the acid out of my pocket, he said, "Stop, Michael, or I'll be an accomplice and have to call the police.'' It was that JD kicking in. He didn't put me on work crew, and trusted me to dispose of the acid. He was pretty cool about it.
Fifth, I agree with you 100 percent --- except that part that I belonged at Hyde. I owe my sanity to that acid.
Mike
Anonymous:
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--- Quote from: ""Guest"" ---
--- Quote from: ""Guest"" --- I am sure he has done well for himself. He was a smart guy. Look at how he manuvered himself into the headmasters job, moved Joe aside, brought in an expert to say Joe had to go then had the old man dumped. It was all very shrewed. The question I have is "Why" It makes no sense to me. Did he have some messianic view of himself? OR was he like that character in the movie "In the Company of Men" He did it as a game to see it he could?
A lot of people from back then love him still. I am not one of them. I just find it ironic that some one that would preach such lofty sermons would end up doing something so quodidian as the front man for a commuter school.
emil
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Emil,
Mike,
I am so happy I could just shit. I had no problems with Owl products.
Emil
Ed Legg was a Harvard grad, a football star with a law degree, who ended up in a high school and had to teach the likes of us. In that context his revolutionary fervor, political climbing, and prophecies of failure for many a poor boy and girl were probably just his way of dealing (badly) with his own sense of failure, and it's best that he is out of there and unable to influence young adults. My problem with Ed is his complicity. Although his hands were clean of the abuses that were taking place all around him, as headmaster he was in it up to his ears.
On a personal level, I liked the guy. I admired his mind, he taught the only worthwhile course in the school, and he didn't begrudge me a college recommendation that started me off on a good academic footing.
I agree that we should maintain the focus on Hyde, but allow me to share an anecdote about Ed. Three-eyed toad was very potent acid, sold to me by Owlsley, the sound engineer of the Grateful Dead, and each toad had to be cut into at least sixteen parts. Not knowing this, my weird roommate and his epileptic friend stole and ingested an entire toad each. Well, the epileptic went into unending spastic seizures, and my roommate ran around the Outhouse in the middle of the night trying to find a way to commit suicide, and both of them spent a week in hospital, before their parents withdrew them. Figuring the gig was up, I walked over to Ed's office the next day to turn myself in. As I went to pull the acid out of my pocket, he said, "Stop, Michael, or I'll be an accomplice and have to call the police.'' It was that JD kicking in. He didn't put me on work crew, and trusted me to dispose of the acid. He was pretty cool about it.
Fifth, I agree with you 100 percent --- except that part that I belonged at Hyde. I owe my sanity to that acid.
Mike
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Anonymous:
--- Quote from: ""Guest"" ---What was not addressed is that it happened because kids were being taught to not question the authority of hyde. I work as an educator now and it boggles my mind things I endured (and my poor parents paid for) and that the place is still chugging along. If you are looking for a Boarding school for your child consider these quick thoughts.
It is character AND achievement, not character over achievement. They are both paramount. Hyde uses the term as an excuse to keep unqualified teachers, and avoid the ardor of putting together a curriculum and doing the day to day work of running a school. Math there was a joke, I remember a math class where the teacher (Jon Chesterton) would put on his own hyde seminars instead of teaching algebra, like we didn?t get enough seminar. I remember getting everything right on one of his lame tests and the next class was dedicated to him running a session where the entire class lambasted me for doing well and not ?sharing?. I was a pariah for doing the school work!
HARMONY MATTERS. The phrase is really truth and harmony. And it is difficult to accomplish. Truth over harmony is an excuse for demeaning and insulting behavior. It is how the founder communicates and can?t change. It helps protect them from the customary standards of professionalism. And provides a framework to disguise an archaic system of authority figure centered education. Those who can communicate (truth) and empower (harmony) are the most successful people I know. And this is what you should look for in a school.
Oh and you guyz with the acid trips are wacked?you belonged there.
Fifth
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To the contrary I would submit that it is you that are wacked. You went down the rabbit hole and forgot where you were. I never did. My take is there there is charater education going on at Hyde. There is chararcter education going on in MCI Walope for that matter. The thing that I question is what is the standard for assesssing it and how is it applied. Hyde could not judge who had grown and who had not in any real predictable way. History has born this out. /You look at some of the kids that got diplomas, that have turned out to be a net negative on society: self indulgent drug abusers, pediphiles etc. Then you look at the folk that were cast aside, like for example Joan G. Hearing her life story you just got to say, damn if any one should have got a diploma from back then it was her.
And wasn't that the reason that Joe founded hyde? Traditional education did not cultivate people that were ready to participate in society in a whole matter. It picked people that were good on tests or the sports field. HELLO!? How did Hyde pick them? You fit well with the peer group and were varsity level. You played the game. you spoke the hyde lexecon. You shared in seminars. You picked the pecking order in seminars to put the failures in thier place. Honest to God the process was like grooming rituals in chimpanzee groups. What's charater building about that? I don't think hyde could function with out failures. Two quotes come to mind. One is from a Rhodes scholar. you can find it on the flip side of Bobby Magee:
'Cos everybody's got to have somebody to look down on.
Who they can feel better than at anytime they please.
Someone doin' somethin' dirty, decent folks can frown on.
If you can't find nobody else, then help yourself to me.
The other is a guy name Addison who said:
It is not sufficient that I succeed, other must fail.
You always own your reaction. To say that you had no choice it to say that you are not alive. Victor Frankel was correct. The one thing that can never be taken from you is your ablilty to choose how to react. You obeyed because you wanted to. Please free free to look down on me if it helps you ( I got that same Rhodes scolar comin' at ya) "make it through the night"
http://www.cowboylyrics.com/lyrics/kris ... 13014.html
Emil
Anonymous:
--- Quote from: ""Guest"" ---What was not addressed is that it happened because kids were being taught to not question the authority of hyde. I work as an educator now and it boggles my mind things I endured (and my poor parents paid for) and that the place is still chugging along. If you are looking for a Boarding school for your child consider these quick thoughts.
It is character AND achievement, not character over achievement. They are both paramount. Hyde uses the term as an excuse to keep unqualified teachers, and avoid the ardor of putting together a curriculum and doing the day to day work of running a school. Math there was a joke, I remember a math class where the teacher (Jon Chesterton) would put on his own hyde seminars instead of teaching algebra, like we didn?t get enough seminar. I remember getting everything right on one of his lame tests and the next class was dedicated to him running a session where the entire class lambasted me for doing well and not ?sharing?. I was a pariah for doing the school work!
HARMONY MATTERS. The phrase is really truth and harmony. And it is difficult to accomplish. Truth over harmony is an excuse for demeaning and insulting behavior. It is how the founder communicates and can?t change. It helps protect them from the customary standards of professionalism. And provides a framework to disguise an archaic system of authority figure centered education. Those who can communicate (truth) and empower (harmony) are the most successful people I know. And this is what you should look for in a school.
Oh and you guyz with the acid trips are wacked?you belonged there.
Fifth
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To the contrary I would submit that it is you that are wacked. You went down the rabbit hole and forgot where you were. I never did. My take is there there is charater education going on at Hyde. There is chararcter education going on in MCI Walope for that matter. The thing that I question is what is the standard for assesssing it and how is it applied. Hyde could not judge who had grown and who had not in any real predictable way. History has born this out. /You look at some of the kids that got diplomas, that have turned out to be a net negative on society: self indulgent drug abusers, pediphiles etc. Then you look at the folk that were cast aside, like for example Joan G. Hearing her life story you just got to say, damn if any one should have got a diploma from back then it was her.
And wasn't that the reason that Joe founded hyde? Traditional education did not cultivate people that were ready to participate in society in a whole matter. It picked people that were good on tests or the sports field. HELLO!? How did Hyde pick them? You fit well with the peer group and were varsity level. You played the game. you spoke the hyde lexecon. You shared in seminars. You picked the pecking order in seminars to put the failures in thier place. Honest to God the process was like grooming rituals in chimpanzee groups. What's charater building about that? I don't think hyde could function with out failures. Two quotes come to mind. One is from a Rhodes scholar. you can find it on the flip side of Bobby Magee:
'Cos everybody's got to have somebody to look down on.
Who they can feel better than at anytime they please.
Someone doin' somethin' dirty, decent folks can frown on.
If you can't find nobody else, then help yourself to me.
The other is a guy name Addison who said:
It is not sufficient that I succeed, other must fail.
You always own your reaction. To say that you had no choice it to say that you are not alive. Victor Frankel was correct. The one thing that can never be taken from you is your ablilty to choose how to react. You obeyed because you wanted to. Please free free to look down on me if it helps you ( I got that same Rhodes scolar comin' at ya) "make it through the night"
http://www.cowboylyrics.com/lyrics/kris ... 13014.html
Emil
Anonymous:
--- Quote from: ""Guest"" ---
--- Quote from: ""Guest"" ---What was not addressed is that it happened because kids were being taught to not question the authority of hyde. I work as an educator now and it boggles my mind things I endured (and my poor parents paid for) and that the place is still chugging along. If you are looking for a Boarding school for your child consider these quick thoughts.
It is character AND achievement, not character over achievement. They are both paramount. Hyde uses the term as an excuse to keep unqualified teachers, and avoid the ardor of putting together a curriculum and doing the day to day work of running a school. Math there was a joke, I remember a math class where the teacher (Jon Chesterton) would put on his own hyde seminars instead of teaching algebra, like we didn?t get enough seminar. I remember getting everything right on one of his lame tests and the next class was dedicated to him running a session where the entire class lambasted me for doing well and not ?sharing?. I was a pariah for doing the school work!
HARMONY MATTERS. The phrase is really truth and harmony. And it is difficult to accomplish. Truth over harmony is an excuse for demeaning and insulting behavior. It is how the founder communicates and can?t change. It helps protect them from the customary standards of professionalism. And provides a framework to disguise an archaic system of authority figure centered education. Those who can communicate (truth) and empower (harmony) are the most successful people I know. And this is what you should look for in a school.
Oh and you guyz with the acid trips are wacked?you belonged there.
Fifth
--- End quote ---
To the contrary I would submit that it is you that are wacked. You went down the rabbit hole and forgot where you were. I never did. My take is there there is charater education going on at Hyde. There is chararcter education going on in MCI Walope for that matter. The thing that I question is what is the standard for assesssing it and how is it applied. Hyde could not judge who had grown and who had not in any real predictable way. History has born this out. /You look at some of the kids that got diplomas, that have turned out to be a net negative on society: self indulgent drug abusers, pediphiles etc. Then you look at the folk that were cast aside, like for example Joan G. Hearing her life story you just got to say, damn if any one should have got a diploma from back then it was her.
And wasn't that the reason that Joe founded hyde? Traditional education did not cultivate people that were ready to participate in society in a whole matter. It picked people that were good on tests or the sports field. HELLO!? How did Hyde pick them? You fit well with the peer group and were varsity level. You played the game. you spoke the hyde lexecon. You shared in seminars. You picked the pecking order in seminars to put the failures in thier place. Honest to God the process was like grooming rituals in chimpanzee groups. What's charater building about that? I don't think hyde could function with out failures. Two quotes come to mind. One is from a Rhodes scholar. you can find it on the flip side of Bobby Magee:
'Cos everybody's got to have somebody to look down on.
Who they can feel better than at anytime they please.
Someone doin' somethin' dirty, decent folks can frown on.
If you can't find nobody else, then help yourself to me.
The other is a guy name Addison who said:
It is not sufficient that I succeed, other must fail.
You always own your reaction. To say that you had no choice it to say that you are not alive. Victor Frankel was correct. The one thing that can never be taken from you is your ablilty to choose how to react. You obeyed because you wanted to. Please free free to look down on me if it helps you ( I got that same Rhodes scolar comin' at ya) "make it through the night"
http://www.cowboylyrics.com/lyrics/kris ... 13014.html
Emil
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Mike and Emil, would you be willing to talk to a major network about your experiences at Hyde? I have a Producer who is interested but needs former students and parents to interview. I understand if you are not comfortable with this, but just thought I would give it a shot.
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